The Calm After The Storm

No more Yankees, no more Manny Ramirez two-minute speeches. Just a calm Monday after a wild weekend.

Oh, and by the way, the best team in baseball record-wise — the Angels — are in town for a three-game series.

I put the chances of Manny being traded before Thursday at 10 percent. I just don’t see the fit, where they can make a deal and improve their chances of winning the World Series.Also, do not rule out the possibility of Manny changing his mind about the 10-5 thing and vetoing a trade.

I think the Red Sox’s best hope is to just put up with Manny for the rest of the year, and hope he is engaged, as he should be, with so much money on the line.

For perspective, remember how disenchanted Manny and the Red Sox were with each other around the trade deadline in 2005? After not getting traded, Manny put up monster numbers the final two months of that season. That August, Manny hit .341 with five homers and 22 RBIs. In September, he hit .309 with 12 homers and 29 RBIs. When the Red Sox were swept by the White Sox in that year’s playoffs, Manny came up big, hitting .375 with two homers and four RBIs. The point is that Manny can put up big numbers when he’s not thrilled with his lot in life. I think the Red Sox, in their hearts, know that Manny isn’t going to quit on them when his next contract is on the line.

But the next 72 hours figure to be fascinating, that’s for sure. Will someone come up with an offer that intrigues Theo Epstein?

By the way, Peter Gammons absolutely hit a home run with his ESPN.com column on Manny today.

In other news, David Ortiz doesn’t appear to be restricted in any way by his wrist. In just his third game back, he turned on a pitch for a two-run homer Sunday night.

Ortiz had this to say earlier this afternoon: “It’s not there yet.”

When your humble blogger told him that it looked like it was there Sunday night, Ortiz offered this: “When you look at my numbers in August and September,
watch. Watch.”

I’d say the man is feeling good about himself.

253 Comments

I put the chances of Ramirez getting traded before the deadline at less than 1 %, almost at Zero. In Ramirez’s hearts of hearts, does he really want to be traded? Play it out and see what happens when the Red Sox season ends. Let’s hope that season ends sometime in late Oct.

I really like what I have seen from Ortiz and who hasn’t. He looks quite healthy at the plate. I am expecting Ortiz to be Ortiz in the final 2 months or so. Some of those 1 run losses on the road might change with his big bat in the lineup. He would have made a difference on a few of those losses, no doubt about it!!!

I’m really sick of talking about and listening to crap about Manny Ramirez. All I want is for him to show up and give his best effort. If he does that, then he is right……. enough is enough.

Dice-K through the first two innings does not look like he has great stuff. The Angels are having good swings at him. If he manages to stay in the game, I don’t see him going much past five innings. The pitch count is already mounting.

Dice-K never does anything easily……… he has to come back and get hitters after falling behind 3-0. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pitcher do that as much as he does. He’s like the Houdini of the pitching world.

Boston is making Weaver look too good. Weaver should be catching a wave in So. Cal. somewhere, lol.

Sox are ahead 2 – 1 but their ability to win games with less than 4 runs is almost impossible so unless they get 4 runs they will lose. I’m sad about the sweep by the LAA in the next three games but I can hope … Rosanne says she’s spending the night with every player on the LAA just for Red Sox. LOL

Brian, I can’t imagine how Weaver can even pitch with his motion and mechanics. It defies all logic of good pitching mechanics. From the stretch, he is almost as slow as Wakefield is getting the ball to the plate. He’s got to be giving up a lot of stolen bases. Hope Ellsbury reaches base. Running on Weaver could restore his confidence. I’m glad I’m not Weaver’s pitching coach. If he was having problems I wouldn’t be able to say anything to his except, “What do you expect with that screwed up delivery?”

Dave,

As long as Roseanne doesn’t sign the national anthem. Everything will be just o.k. She might give new definition of slump buster, lol.

ooh Arnie, how could you think so little of me as to think I would live in Miami!?? No way… I live in FORT LAUDERDALE, lol. I never venture past my county line in to Miami, I value my life too much!! You’ll either get shot, or run down on I-95!!

That’s what she does all night with each and every LAA player. It’s a frightening site but it does make the team a bit sleep deprived.

Wow…… Dice-K zipped that last fastball to Rivera….. 94mph, his best of the night. He seems to be settling down nicely and has found himself. I love it when I mouth off and the Sox make me look like an idiot. Dice-K has a chance to do that tonight……. LOL!

I was listening to ESPN Radio on the way home from work today, and Texiera is OFFICIALLY on the trading block with teams being contacted… They said that the RedSox are interested.. The only way I can see them being interested is if its a 3 way deal… They wouldnt get rid of Youk or Papi and Tex is a 1st basseman/could be DH> Any thoughts.? But remember I didnt say it… ESPN Radio did.

I wonder if Tek can learn the Japanese words for “Get the first pitch over” and “No walks”.

Ells should bunt.

Sox are overanxious. Pedroia should have walked and Youk went fishing. Lost an opportunity to pick up another run. Let’s hope we don’t wind up needing it.

When does Dice-K ever learn????

Walks will eventually get you, and this time it did get Dice-K.

Tito blows another game. When will he learn???

Dice-K is a good 5 inning pitcher. In the 6th inning after any runner gets on base he should be pulled.

Dear Beloved RedSox….Please get rid of Manny….he’s a Cancer that will ruin the team….release him….trade him for a couple of bats….whatever….just please DUMP HIM!!!

What a brutal meltdown by Dice-K. It seems like we continue to find unique ways to lose.

I like Lowrie… good solid line drive hitter. Good eye. Doesn’t swing at bad pitches. Solid D. Don’t miss Lugo one bit.

Geez, Ellsbury sure looked clueless. Take 2 pitches right down the middle and then swing at that. 3 LOB… I take back what I said before… this isn’t a unique way to lose a game. More like the standard way for us.

Ells is lacking any semblance of confidence at the plate. He is totally being defensive at the plate and is consistently fishing after a two strike count.He seems to have adopted that Lugo scared look. I don’t what Tito can do. Putting Crisp back in is the lesser of the two evils. Another opportunity lost.

Tampa Bay just lost and the Yanks are on their way. Today would have been a good time to pick up ground. I guess we should be happy that we didn’t lose any ground.

I can’t believe how often Manny GIDP in the exact same way. Unreal. Never a hard grounder anywhere exact to the exact spot the SS is playing. Always out by 15-20 feet.

I hope I haven’t spoken too soon. The yanks just scored 4 runs. Damon hit a three run HR.

Ells came through. I hope it raises his confidence. Also, good shot Manny except it is one at bat too late. Hope we do better tomorrow.

Hey guys,

I am glad that I am not taking the Sox’s losses to heart because we are getting a lot of them. I don’t have easy answers but hitting seems to be getting back into form somewhat. Maybe we’ll do better tomorrow.

Arnie,

What’s on the menu. Mexican sounds great.

I think everyone is sleeping now. Anyways, you need to let Ellsbury get through this. Last year I am sure most everyone would have sent Pedroia down to Pawtucket after that horrible start he had. Tito stuck with him and that was the confidence he needed. Crisp is not the answer. Give the kid a chance. We will need him to make a run. Tito has been gun shy to go to the bullpen and I can’t see why anyone can blame him. He tends to stay with a starter too long but his alternative is not good right now. he is in a bad situation.
The only way you get Texiera is to get rid of Manny and put Youk in the outfield. Can’t see that happening.

Things will get better….no one is really doing that great right now. Trust Theo to make it right and keep the faith. GO SOX.

Haha, I’ve been refreshing the old thread. I thought everyone went to bed.

Ellen, I did not know Miami was so bad. Pardon me.

Dice-K fell apart in a hurry tonight. 5 men up 5 men score in the 6th. And add one more for good measure.
There’s always tomorrow.

Dave, you like Mexican? I got you covered.
We’ll start with Chicken Flautitas with guacomole and sour cream. Tecate Draft.
Nachos with some fiery serranos. Shots of 1800 Reposada Tequila
Chile Verde with Beans, Rice and Tortillas de Maiz. Margaritas for everybody!!
Sopapillas. Maybe a farewell shot of Don Julio 1942. (NO!! I don’t mean Don Julio Lugo!!!)
If you all are still standing after that we’ll go to a rodeo and drink MGD.
Actually, I don’t drink, but I can be the designated driver.

Is anyone else having trouble with the “this page cannot be displayed” screen on the blog? I get that a lot now and this is the only internet site that does it to me. Is there a problem with my computer or is it the web page?

Ra, Lugo?? Lugo who??

Rayman, Lugo?? Lugo who??

I’m good at the designated driver position myself!!!!

I get the same msg “this…….displayed’. I have to continue to go back to the Sox Home page; click on the blog and then stsrt all over again. I thought that maybe it was my computer as well. Maybe it is something wrong with the blog setup.

Well, it’s late, another one in the books, no harm done since both NY and the Rays lost. At least the Sox didn’t quit and they had some opportunities. I’m off to dream about Arnie’s cuisine. I’ll probably put on 10 lbs overnight. Good night everyone.

Bucholz tomorrow? The Sox must be trying to give the Angels false hope before October. I don’t mind charity but not when it comes to the SAWX!!!! I wish Colon could go more than 4 starts “without crapping the bed”.

The Sox misssed another golden opportunity to gain grounds on the Rays (the loss was expected) and the Yanks (surprised that Mussina was bombed by his old team).
The fatal 6th inning killed us. gsm called it early that Dice-K did not have great stuff before the disastrous 6th. I hate to blame Francona for staying with Dice-K until the damage was done. Did Francona know that Dice-K is no Lester and could not possibly replicate Lester’s Houdini act of wringling out of deep trouble? It reaffirms that Lester is the ACE of the staff.
rayman and pagelotti: ditto what you said about Ellsbury who not long ago was the igniter and now the rally killer – struck out on a bad pitch with bases loaded.
I wish Buchholtz’s pet is not at Fenway tonight and Lackey is Lackey of ’07. Let us pray RSN. Amen!

Oh about Manny. I like to see Brandon Moss play LF every day and JD batting third and Ortiz as a clean up hitter. Nedd I say more?

PS: The Sox is presented another opportunity to pick up 1 game on Rays and the Yanks. Halliday is pitching for Toronto and the Yanks has that AAA pitcher pitching.

Last night’s loss was completely on Dice-K. 5 runs at home with a pitcher with a 2.63 ERA should be enough for the win. You can’t blame Francona for leaving him in too long… I’m actually surprised we got someone in as fast as we did (5 batters). Tonight is certainly going to be a crap-shoot with Bucholz.

Last night proves again what a joke the Save statistic is. K-Rod comes in up 3 runs, nobody on base, gives up a run for a nifty 9.00 ERA for the outing, and gets a Save. The rules are way to liberal.

Things are getting desperate. Here goes.

Lineup:
LF – dbenjamin– I’ve equipped him with whatever he needs including a satellite controlled laser cannon. There is no way a ball will survive left field.

2b – Ellen — Ellen will continue in second base and have the aid of a B-1 bomber in case the Angels get violent.

DH – BosoxBrian — Brian had another night with Halle so he must remain as DH…however. we’ve rigged his bat. Look for four home runs tonight.

3b – Arnie — Arnie’s mexican menu (see earlier) is to die for and he ensures that result for any Angel’s player that tries his food. We can’t wait.

1b – gsm52 — gsm will be performing with Paul Simon and playing a variety of music including “Late In The Evening” and “Song About the Moon.”

C – 007chow. He has been our best catcher and Jason Varitek has resigned due to his realization that there is only one 007chow. Tonight anyone who manages to get a hit will face his pitbulls as well as his man eating tigers.

SS – chman712 — chman712 will be performing some Frank Sinatra hits tonight as well as reading some Shakespeare.

RF – redsoxfan015 — redsoxfan015 will continue reading from “Bleakhouse” by Mark Twain today as well as selected poems of Walt Witman to the crowd.

p – Pangelotti — Pangelotti has been complaining about his arm continually tearing from his socket from overuse but we know he’s just a little tired.

P – Rayman — Rayman is the Papelbon of our team. We love him.

Umpires — Rosanne will be the only umpire on the field. Everyone else ran away.

If I left anyone out please let me know since I want everyone to feel included.

I am hoping the game is on Fox Sports West as MLB.COM is blacked out because the Angels are considered a local team out this way. What a pain. I can always listen on the radio if I have to. I saw Lackey pitch last week in Anaheim against the Indians and he was all over the place. I am praying for more of the same! Maybe Bucholz can pull a magician trick tonight. GO SAWX!!!!

Dave
Since I am ambidextrous, when one arm tears out of its socket I use the other arm. The only difference is in the spin direction of my Tornado ball. There is very little change in velocity or accuracy. In either case it’s pretty devastating. I heal pretty fast. Usually a torn socket heals itself in 48 hours depending on the weather. In those rare occasions, since we have a dynamite team, I would have to defer to Rayman to carry the load or we would all have to pray for rain.

OK Dave, I’ll be at third base with the ipecac-laced guacamole in case any Angels reach that far. Should be good for a laugh.

The 2 home runs with men on hurt, that accounted for 5 runs. Otherwise Dice-K might be able to escape with a no-decision.
If Buchholtz at least can repeat his last start just giving up 3 earned runs over 5 1/3 innings and the bp holds, the Sox can win its 62nd game and gain ground on Rays and the Yanks hopefully.

pangelotti – if the spin is reversed on the tornado ball because you’re throwing with the other arm, it becomes the cyclone ball.

Dave, I called Paul Simon and he came over for a couple of Diet Cokes. We wrote a new song about the Red Sox offense and we’re calling it the Sounds of Silence. We’re getting this dude named Art Garfunkel to sing it with us. Can you imagine a name like Art Garfunkel. Anyway, it’s a neat tune, think you’ll like it.

Arnie, I’m wasting away to nothing. I’m in the mood for a little Cajun Cuisine…… can you fix me up?

Buchholz needs to grow up fast and have a good game tonight. I’m calling this a critical game and here’s why. We all know the Sox are having problems on the road and now it appears that the homefield advantage isn’t much of an advantage. Unless they are planning on chaning their road ways, they better get back to winning at home or they’ll never keep up with the Rays and Yankees.

It’s easy to jump on Ellsbury because he struck out with the bases loaded. However, keep in mind that he also singled in a run and when Tek was on second, he did what he needed to do to move him to third. The Sox have left the bases loaded a bunch of times this year, and everyone has had their fair share of that mess. He’s been struggling, but I believe he’ll be OK.

I really thought Dice-K was getting stronger after some early inning jitters last night. He had an easy 1-2-3 fifth inning finishing up with a 94 mph fast ball. He was throwing so easily at that point and then…… a 4 pitch walk, a bomb……. and that was that. Sooner or later those walks are gonna getcha. How he could walk 60 batters in 94 inning and have a 2.63 ERA is beyond comprehension. Now he’s got to get it together or the wheels might fall off the old rickshaw.

Hey Dave, Paul Simon and I just completed another song. It’s about the Red Sox bullpen and we’re calling it Bridge over Troubled Waters. I also called my good friend Pat Benatar who told me she just completed a song about Manny’s encounter with the travelling secretary. It’s titled “Hit Me with Your Best Shot”. If nothing else, the Sox are inspiring some great music this year.

pangelotti – if the spin is reversed on the tornado ball because you’re throwing with the other arm, it becomes the cyclone ball.

Dave, I called Paul Simon and he came over for a couple of Diet Cokes. We wrote a new song about the Red Sox offense and we’re calling it the Sounds of Silence. We’re getting this dude named Art Garfunkel to sing it with us. Can you imagine a name like Art Garfunkel. Anyway, it’s a neat tune, think you’ll like it.

Arnie, I’m wasting away to nothing. I’m in the mood for a little Cajun Cuisine…… can you fix me up?

Buchholz needs to grow up fast and have a good game tonight. I’m calling this a critical game and here’s why. We all know the Sox are having problems on the road and now it appears that the homefield advantage isn’t much of an advantage. Unless they are planning on chaning their road ways, they better get back to winning at home or they’ll never keep up with the Rays and Yankees.

It’s easy to jump on Ellsbury because he struck out with the bases loaded. However, keep in mind that he also singled in a run and when Tek was on second, he did what he needed to do to move him to third. The Sox have left the bases loaded a bunch of times this year, and everyone has had their fair share of that mess. He’s been struggling, but I believe he’ll be OK.

I really thought Dice-K was getting stronger after some early inning jitters last night. He had an easy 1-2-3 fifth inning finishing up with a 94 mph fast ball. He was throwing so easily at that point and then…… a 4 pitch walk, a bomb……. and that was that. Sooner or later those walks are gonna getcha. How he could walk 60 batters in 94 inning and have a 2.63 ERA is beyond comprehension. Now he’s got to get it together or the wheels might fall off the old rickshaw.

Hey Dave, Paul Simon and I just completed another song. It’s about the Red Sox bullpen and we’re calling it Bridge over Troubled Waters. I also called my good friend Pat Benatar who told me she just completed a song about Manny’s encounter with the travelling secretary. It’s titled “Hit Me with Your Best Shot”. If nothing else, the Sox are inspiring some great music this year.

pangelotti – if the spin is reversed on the tornado ball because you’re throwing with the other arm, it becomes the cyclone ball.

Dave, I called Paul Simon and he came over for a couple of Diet Cokes. We wrote a new song about the Red Sox offense and we’re calling it the Sounds of Silence. We’re getting this dude named Art Garfunkel to sing it with us. Can you imagine a name like Art Garfunkel. Anyway, it’s a neat tune, think you’ll like it.

Arnie, I’m wasting away to nothing. I’m in the mood for a little Cajun Cuisine…… can you fix me up?

Buchholz needs to grow up fast and have a good game tonight. I’m calling this a critical game and here’s why. We all know the Sox are having problems on the road and now it appears that the homefield advantage isn’t much of an advantage. Unless they are planning on chaning their road ways, they better get back to winning at home or they’ll never keep up with the Rays and Yankees.

It’s easy to jump on Ellsbury because he struck out with the bases loaded. However, keep in mind that he also singled in a run and when Tek was on second, he did what he needed to do to move him to third. The Sox have left the bases loaded a bunch of times this year, and everyone has had their fair share of that mess. He’s been struggling, but I believe he’ll be OK.

I really thought Dice-K was getting stronger after some early inning jitters last night. He had an easy 1-2-3 fifth inning finishing up with a 94 mph fast ball. He was throwing so easily at that point and then…… a 4 pitch walk, a bomb……. and that was that. Sooner or later those walks are gonna getcha. How he could walk 60 batters in 94 inning and have a 2.63 ERA is beyond comprehension. Now he’s got to get it together or the wheels might fall off the old rickshaw.

Hey Dave, Paul Simon and I just completed another song. It’s about the Red Sox bullpen and we’re calling it Bridge over Troubled Waters. I also called my good friend Pat Benatar who told me she just completed a song about Manny’s encounter with the travelling secretary. It’s titled “Hit Me with Your Best Shot”. If nothing else, the Sox are inspiring some great music this year.

gsm: We’ve got your point. No need to print three times, you’re out. lol

gsm: We’ve got your point. No need to print three times, you’re out. lol

gsm: are you hitting the “sauce” early. maybe a few Patron margarita’s, with some guac and chips??? lol

gsm52,

Well I just can’t resist this idea. The Red Sox team are holding a concert while you guys play the game. Here are the songs:

Manny Ramirez sings “50 ways to leave your lover” and “still crazy after all these years”
Terry Francona sings “goodnight Saigon and cries at the lines “we will all go down together”
Jacoby Ellsbury sings “pressure” by Billy Joel
Lugo sings “failure Face” by the Charlie Brown gang.
J.d. Drew sings “Playing right field” by Peter Paul and Mary
Coco Crisp sings “coco puffs cereal song”
Dustin Pedroia sings “Born To Be Wild”
Theo Epstein sings “Yesterday” by the Beatles.
Youk sings “I love Rock and Roll”
Dice-K sings “Where have all the flowers gone?”
Papelbon sings “Billy Jean” by Michael Jackson
Manny Delcarman sings “Long and Winding Road” by the Beatles
Hanson sings “Only a Moment Ago” by the Partridge family
Oki Doki sings “Nobody’s perfect”
David Ortiz sings “Me and Julio down by the schoolyard” and I’ll let your imaginations run wild on that one.
Roger Clemens guest sings “Puff the Magic Dragon”

Hey to all! Dave, I want to have an A10 Warthog not the B1.. Is that ok?
Just a couple minutes before 1st pitch..
has anyone noticed that in the past couple weeks
more than 2 or 3 times, when the Sox have gotten 2 on the board (not 1, not 3) we’ve lost the lead?? We got 3 the other night and won, (they added more later) we got one up one night went on to win… I dont want to see us end and inning with 2 on the board…. (unless its the 9th and we win!!) does any of this make sense??
KICK BUTT SOX!!!!!

gsm52,

Well I just can’t resist this idea. The Red Sox team are holding a concert while you guys play the game. Here are the songs:

Manny Ramirez sings “50 ways to leave your lover” and “still crazy after all these years”
Terry Francona sings “goodnight Saigon and cries at the lines “we will all go down together”
Jacoby Ellsbury sings “pressure” by Billy Joel
Lugo sings “failure Face” by the Charlie Brown gang.
J.d. Drew sings “Playing right field” by Peter Paul and Mary
Coco Crisp sings “coco puffs cereal song”
Dustin Pedroia sings “Born To Be Wild”
Theo Epstein sings “Yesterday” by the Beatles.
Youk sings “I love Rock and Roll”
Dice-K sings “Where have all the flowers gone?”
Papelbon sings “Billy Jean” by Michael Jackson
Manny Delcarman sings “Long and Winding Road” by the Beatles
Hanson sings “Only a Moment Ago” by the Partridge family
Oki Doki sings “Nobody’s perfect”
David Ortiz sings “Me and Julio down by the schoolyard” and I’ll let your imaginations run wild on that one.
Roger Clemens guest sings “Puff the Magic Dragon”

Gsm,

What’s in the water in Clay County? lol. Three times my friend, lol. Keep drinking and have a cold one for me!!!

Dave,

I love the songs for every player. Clemens’ song might be the best!!! Great stuff for sure!!!

This blog cracks me up every single day. Keep it up!!! I wonder what Ian thinks? He needs to chime in here. Ian what do you say pal?

gsm52,

Well I just can’t resist this idea. The Red Sox team are holding a concert while you guys play the game. Here are the songs:

Manny Ramirez sings “50 ways to leave your lover” and “still crazy after all these years”
Terry Francona sings “goodnight Saigon and cries at the lines “we will all go down together”
Jacoby Ellsbury sings “pressure” by Billy Joel
Lugo sings “failure Face” by the Charlie Brown gang.
J.d. Drew sings “Playing right field” by Peter Paul and Mary
Coco Crisp sings “coco puffs cereal song”
Dustin Pedroia sings “Born To Be Wild”
Theo Epstein sings “Yesterday” by the Beatles.
Youk sings “I love Rock and Roll”
Dice-K sings “Where have all the flowers gone?”
Papelbon sings “Billy Jean” by Michael Jackson
Manny Delcarman sings “Long and Winding Road” by the Beatles
Hanson sings “Only a Moment Ago” by the Partridge family
Oki Doki sings “Nobody’s perfect”
David Ortiz sings “Me and Julio down by the schoolyard” and I’ll let your imaginations run wild on that one.
Roger Clemens guest sings “Puff the Magic Dragon”

A GREAT trade pulled off by the Angels today. Texeria is a type of player that puts you right over the top. As of right now the Angels are the team to beat. The Angels also have a chance to sign him at the end of the year, they have the $$$$ if they want to spend it. If I was a fan of the Angels, I would be very excited about there chances to play deep into October and win it all. Of course alot of baseball to be played. Angels are the only team right now in the A.L. that can gurantee a spot in the playoffs. That division is over and has been for a while now.

Lackey usually gets pounded in Boston. I hope that trend will continue.

Don’t blame gsm52. The blog is having problems and sometimes I have to send it about twelve times and 11 times I get a send error from the browser.

Almost forgot:

Johnny Damon “New York State Of Mind.”
Mike Lowell “f**k the Yankees”

Dave,

Are you gsm’s apologist? lol. I think both of you guys are dipping into some good Irish water, lol. Please send it my way, I could go for some good Irish water!!! Guiness on draft please.

What is going on with Buchholz tonight? He is looking good!!! Great too see.

Cora should have made that play. Cora was charged with an error. 2 errors in the inning. It went south on Dice-K last night and Buchholz is in trouble here in the 3rd. Lowell’s rare error changed the complexion of the entire inning. Gotta make the simple plays, especially for a struggling team like the Red Sox.

That D.P. was huge!!!

Great! 2 big unearned runs. Advantage Lackey.

The Sox are totally crap. They are a waste of resources. A useless pointless excursion that makes the Texas Rangers look like a winning team. They cannot hit, they cannot pitch and they cannot win games.

Arnie,

I’ll take a double of everything alcoholic that you can generate and when I drink it all…please give me more. it’s the only way to take the pain away of a ballclub that plays like the Nashville Lobotomists. Oh wow…it’s 4 – 0. Gee this is getting just sad. Really, the Sox are useless out there. What is the point of playing. Why not just go out there and say “listen…with Rosanne naked singing the Annie Theme song…we give up. Just send us back to our hotel rooms.

I hope the Sox get no-hit today. I hope they lose the next thirty games in a row. I hope they realize that all the talent in the world and all the money in the world won’t win games — you first have to have a team.

Correction, 4 runs. Advantage Lackey. I am about to turn off the set.

That’s it. I’ve had it. Rosanne is going to spend the night with every single Red Sox player singing “I write the Songs” while waving a David Cassidy flag around the room. She then will shower with them before Joan Rivers comes in and sings “It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood” before giving everyone a spanking. That will turn it around. That’s what the Sox need is total humiliation.

Angels keep improving and the Sox keep proving to everyone that Charlie Brown is Roger Clemens out there.

Clay gets out of the inning. Guess the Angels are feeling sorry for him. Grrr… I have never been so frustrated with this team — ever.

Clay Buchholz sings “If I had a hammer” then sings “papa can you hear me” by Barbra Streisand.

Prediction — Angels 9, Red Sox 0 with no hits in the entire game.

OK, I’m done ranting for tonight. It’s just two exhausting to rant about a team that has the hearing of Helen Keller. Red Sox are you hearing me “win a game!”

Cmon’ Sox Fans,
It’s a little early to pack it in. If I can keep watching and listening to these jack a$$es on FSN Sports brag about the Texiera trade you all can stay on the air. Yes the Texiera trade was big but good Lord I don’t think they have to mention it every half inning. Buchholz has pretty good stuff….he’s just not ready for this level yet. Hang in there everyone…our time will come.

cfarnham04,

You are right…but fortunately I don’t have to hear the Angel’s announcers. I get NESN through MLB.com. Now I am going to have a few beers (LOL)

Well, let’s hope the Yanks and Tampa Bay drop their games so that we don’t lose ground. Bucholz isn’t ready for the Majors. He has a good curve ball but it’s a matter of time until they adjust to it. He is far from overpowering,The Sox are back to their defeatist attitude at the plate. They fish after third strikes, they take half-hearted swings– they look like they can’t wait to get the game over with. Sad to say it but if they don’t wake up and start playing more aggressive baseball they will not make the playoffs- and they don’t desrve to. I won’t be surprised if Lackey oitches a no-hitter today.

John Lackey is throwing a no hitter!!! Did I mention that Lackey is throwing a no hitter.

Could the headline in the LA Times tomorrow read Lackey is perfect against the Sox.

Bosox, frustrated great minds must think alike

dthatcher,

Frustrated would be a kind word to use, lol. Boston has pounded Lackey in the past at Fenway but not the case tonight.

dave@cgs,
Have a beer for me….I’m not a big drinker. NESN is awesome. That’s the best part of visiting my dad in Vermont….watching Remy and NESN!!!!! I have to get wahtever I can out here.

I for one believe they have to get Ramirez out of there. It is very hard to be a team when you know that the media is hitting everyone on this team for a quote about this and they have to say the right thing in case they have to count him as a teammate for the rest of this year.

Alright so the headline only reads NO HITTER

The Phillies according to reports are the front runners to land Ramirez. I doubt a trade will happen but it sounds like the Red Sox are trying to deal away there headache. I don’t know if they would pull the trigger on a deal. It is one thing talking about it but to actually agree on it, is a whole new animal. I’m guessing it is Philly or nobody. If Ramirez played in Philly, he would do AWESOME. That place is tiny and he would be very motivated to play. At least they have Burrell and he could help the Sox right away. Burrell has survived Philly, barely, lol. If he could survive Philly he can survive anywhere. Philly is brutal!!! Worst sports fans in America, hands down!!!

Lackey still has a no hitter. Unreal!!! This Red Sox team reminds me of 2004 ( Nomar was a distraction–was he going? or was he staying? –that was the talk around late July back in 2004 ) A short time after the trade of Nomar the team took off. I’m not comparing Nomar the player to Manny the player. Absolutely no comparising. Manny still has years left in the tank. I am comparing the situation.

This Red Sox team looks lifeless!!! It goes to show you how bad Seattle really is. Angels are having a field day with this Red Sox team. It is only 4-0 but it seems more like a 10 run lead for the Angels.

A call to the bullpen. I wish someone would cut the wires to that bullpen phone. lol.

Seeing as I am convinced that Manny does not care how this team does I have to wonder what you lose if you just get him out of here considering if you do not pick up his option after this year you get nothing anyhow. I think it would be a great statement for a team to make to some of these overpaid folks.
I believe they would get as much with Elsbury in left and Coco in center.

I feel bad for the fans that showed up to this mess tonight. They should get a refund. The fat lady is singing, I can here Roseanne warming up!!! lol. The Sox play tomm. night to avoid the sweep, sounds familar doesn’t it? A lifeless bunch of Red Sox players tonight!!!

Ramirez was not busting it down the line, that was very obvious.

8 pitches to our number 3 4and 5 hitters. WOW

I think Tito needs to come out of character and get in the teams butt as a whole. Not his style but it’s what they need. If any team saw Manny run that last grounder out I don’t think we need to worry about him going anywhere. How much more incentive do you need to beat out a grounder when it would break up a no-hitter? Wow. I guess after this series is over the Sox need to concentrate on winning one series at a time. Come on Tito….show some spark.

Has the SOX Angels tide finally turned? — we have owned them for years, I hope this is just a seasonal blip, and does not carry over into the post season (assuming we make it there), let alone for a few (maybe more than a few) years (as we have enjoyed now) — but doesn’t look good at all right now, does it.

We can always take inspiration from the Dallas Cowboys who knocked off the Giants twice in the regular season, and then lost to Giants when it really counted.

Angels look like a flat out better team right now.

Has Lackey broken a sweat?

July 1958 was the last time the Red Sox were no hit at Fenway. Arnie/Gsm, were you guys there? lol.

do you suppose when Ian wrote this headline he meant the Soxes bats?

Just 1 FREAKING HIT that is all I ask for.

This team is lifeless

Dustin Pedroia the smallest guy comes up HUGE!!!

There goes the shutout!!!
Did anyone go out to Lackey after Pedroia’s hit?

Ramirez will make the last out.

Finally

In a way, I feel bad for Lackey. it would have been a great bottom line on his resume.

This is a team that has ‘we give up’ on its resume. No hitter for eight innings. We think yelling will help but when the dynamics in the clubhouse are so desperate (seen any interviews on NESN lately. The Sox sound like someone in the family just died. They sound depressed — really depressed. )
Next year will be a good year for the Sox. I can feel it. Timlin will be gone, the memory of Schilling will be gone, Manny R. will be gone and with some off season aquisitions as well as a year more for Ellsbury we could have a good team.
Might also want to add, not being in the playoffs this year will actually help the Sox giving them added rest. We’ll see.

Lugo is slow to recover — I can’t blame him.

cfarnham04,

Thanks for the beer. Believe it or not I don’t really drink at all. I had one beer this Saturday after tiling the bathroom but before that it’s been about a year. I just get intoxicated too quickly to trust myself with a beer (LOL)

Let me clarify that. 1/2 a beer and I feel quite drunk. For some reason I’m a very cheap date — which scares me because Rosanne has been calling me when she found that out (LOL)

The entire Sox team came out tonight and sang:

“Might as well jump” by Van Halen.

I really need a break from the game tomorrow night. I’ll blog and post a lineup but I refuse to watch a single pitch in the game. When Lackey got almost a no hitter, you really have to admit it’s time to quit as a team…or are they just keeping us in suspense for the blast of a twelve game winning streak??

I’m mad that we lost, but not anywhere near as mad as I would have been had Pedroia not busted up the no-hitter. Thank you Rat boy!!

ellen,

You have a point but I wonder what Francona will say to the team after the game. They need something because right now they are useless to themselves and everyone else in Boston.

dave@cgs,
I’ve had 3 beers since ’04. Game 7 of the LCS aginst the Yankees, Game 4 against the Cardinals in the ’04 WS and Game 4 in last year’s WS. I’m hoping to have another one this year…..we’ll see.

It seems like whenever the Sox give up on us, we never give up on them. I’ll go to my grave being a sucker for that team. Went to my first game on opening day at Fenway in 1966 when I was 7 and have been drinking their Kool-Aid ever since. My wife used to have no interest and laughed at me for 21 years of marriage but now she’s in love with Ellsbury and refuses to give up on him. Took a while but she’s now officially sucked in. Poor girl. Well, have a good night and see you all tomorrow. Things will get better!!!!!

cfarnham04,

You are in the lineup tomorrow for sure! (LOL).
My first game was 1974 and they lost. I saw their first win in Fenway park in 1975 against the twins. Those were the days.

Rave-Dave: If I were anyone on that team (except Manny, of course, because he can do whatever he wants) I would go and grab me my titanium replaceable butt, because terry’s probably so damned fed up that he’ll give a really thorough a s.s. chewing tonight!! I really wouldnt eant to see tiny Tito pissed off!

Ellen,

Thank you. That alone will allow me to sleep the night. I just feel the Sox have way too much talent to be playing like this. Yes L.A. is a tough team but come on — you are the Red Sox — you are bad (and I don’t mean bad in the literal sense).

Well, we need a shifted lineup tomorrow night centering on the absurd. I promise a good laugh for everyone.

Hey, it wasn’t my fault. Hey, it wasn’t my fault. Hey, it wasn’t my fault. I didn’t send it three times. I didn’t send it three times. I didn’t send it three times.

I don’t know what the problem was with the blog, but it was nothing compared to the Sox offense. Little did Paul Simon a nd I know how right on our new Sounds of Silence song would be.

Good thing the Sox are playing at home. If they were on the road, they would have lost all five games instead of just four of five. They better get it turned around quickly or they’ll be looking ahead at the Texas Rangers who are now only five games behind in the wild card race. Not only are they not taking care of business in their own division, but they are letting a lot of other teams into the picture who have no business being there.

I’m thinking we may need to find a new manager. We haven’t won a game since Dave started making the lineup. I don’t like how you’re treating me. You don’t let me catch Jody Foster any more. Enough is enough. You don’t want to let me catch Jody Foster, just tell me. Send me a letter. Just say thanks and we’ll go our separate ways. No big deal.

Hi everybody. Sorry I’ve been gone all day. It was a wild one at work. But I’m home now, fed the cat and was able to catch up on all the blogging here. Sounds like the game was pretty dismal.

Dave, you are hilarious! Keep the line-ups and silliness coming. We’re going to need them if this season goes the way it’s looking right now.

Bosoxbrian, I WAS at that game in ’58! How did you know? My memories are a bit hazy now, being as I was 3 and a half years old at the time. Even though I scored the game, as was my habit back in the day, you would never have been able to make a lick of sense out of my scorecard. Unless you just happened to be 3 1/2 yourself. Kinda messy! Also, we used to use wax tablets back then to score the games. They were left over from the days a few years earlier when the Romans held their Regional Gladiatorial Contests at Fenway. The Regionals were for the New England area(Nuovo Latinia as it was known then). Anyway, when the Sox moved into Fenway back in 12 AD they found all these wax tablets stored there and decided to give them to kids to use as scorecards. A kinder, gentler era.

Gsm, so you like Cajun??? I love American regional(there’s that word again!) cooking. And Cajun is one of my fav’s. I also love the old-style New England foods. The slow-baked beans flavored with molasses, Boiled Dinner, Johnnycake and Down East Clam Chowder!!! YEA!
Anyway, in your honor tomorrow’s menu looks like this:
Oysters Rockefeller, with just the right touch of Pernod. Mimosas for the beverage.
Traditional Gumbo. Shrimp, scallops and crawdads swimming in a sauce made with the Trinity, filet gumbo, brown roux, okra and chicken stock. Dirty Rice. Red beans cooked with a little Andouille Sausage, served with finely minced onion.
A dish I like to make is Catfish filets rubbed with a little Dijon mustard, chipotle powder and salt, dredged in finely ground pecans and pan-seared with a tiny bit of butter. I serve it with Bourbon-scented Remoulade. It’s a variation of a Paul Prudhomme recipe.
We’ll be swillin’ Mint Juleps through all of this.
For dessert; I created many years ago, for a Mardi Gras dinner, an Almond-Praline Mousse. It goes like this: I take a double handful of slivered almonds and toast them lightly, just a couple shades of color darker. I want the toasty flavor but not a deep brown. Next a cup of sugar goes into a pan to be caramelized and poured over the almonds. When that cools and is crispy like an almond brittle I grind it up in the Cuisinart to a consistency like cornmeal. I make a pastry cream flavored with almond and fold beaten egg whites, sweet whipped cream and the almond-praline meal into it. It comes out pearl white with little melty crunchy flecks of praline in it. Oh, I just love Cajun food!!! Jim Beam for all! And to all a good night. I’m beat. Catch you tomorrow.

The Sox is consistent in finding a way to lose a game at home or away, be its starting pitcher, the bullpen, or lack of hitting. When the bullpen appears to turn around, the hitting stops and the starting pitcher falters.
You win one and lose the next two. If the trend continues, the Sox will be lucky to finish 500.
I observe that the Sox has trouble hitting a pitcher with ERA below 4. The odds are the Sox will lose a game if the opposing pitcher has an ERA below 3.5. Good luck Beckett!
The LAA is getting richer by acquiring Texeira. What the Sox has done? Oh, we want to to hold on to our prospects.
Take Buchholtz out of rotation!!

I would trade Manny to any team in MLB for a productive bat or a reliable arm NOW. So be it if was traded to an AL team, see if he can hit Beck, Lester, and Dice-K.
Clearly, LAA is the team to beat in the MLB. If Beck can beat the Angels tonight, there is a slimmer hope that the Sox can prevail over the Angels in the post-season. I still hopeful if not confident that the Sox will get to the playoffs as a wc simply because the Yanks have more road games (not to mention its 4th & 5th starters) to play and the Minn is just a pretender.

Arnie…… I’m really looking forward to dinner tonight. Have you seen the movie “The Bucket List”? Well, I just added a trip to Denver and dinner with Arnie to my bucket list. It’s a must do!!!! ……………… Wow, you had wax tablets? That’s so much easier than the stone we used in my childhood days. Do you know how tough it was to chisel Yastrzemski on to a stone tablet lineup card?

I think I’m going to drop down South to pick up Ellen and Brian, swing through Tennessee to pick up Crazy Dave and we’re coming to Denver for some good victuals.

Your description of New England down home cooking brings back so many memories. I was one of seven kids, and my dad was a carpenter, so we didn’t have a ton of money, but mom could cook up a storm with not very much. Every Saturday night was hot dogs, some of those slow cooked Boston Baked beans you mentioned, and brown bread. Corned beef and cabbage or a pot roast simmered all day were delicacies………. and meatloaf wasn’t just meatloaf. It was everything loaf loaded with onions, tomatoes, peppers and a host of whatever else was left around the house. Then there was the Friday night creamed tuna and peas. Once a month or so, we’d have a night out at Howdy’s Beefburger Drive-In. Anyone remember Howdy’s. Yep, Saturday night at Howdy’s listening to Arnie “Woo Woo” Ginsberg on WMEX, AM broadcasting live from Adventure Car Hop in Saugus. LOL! You remember Arnie the Woo? I was wondering if maybe he was your dad or something….. LOL!

Arnie, you got me going and I can’t stop. Did you ever go to Haymarket Square as a kid. Mom used to take me in there on Saturdays. She’d load up on veggies but my favorite was going to the meat market. Leo the butcher (how can I even remember that now) knew Mom had a bunch of kids and always threw on an extra slab of meat or handful of hamburger after he weighed them. Yep, a handful, no gloves or anything. He always gave me a small slab of steak to chew on, or some raw hamburger to eat. How about that……. all that raw meat every Saturday and I’m still here to talk about it after 58 year. LOL

Gsm,

I will meet you in Denver, lol. That drive is too long for me. I figure by the time we meet up in Denver the Sox will be in 3rd place. lol. Perhaps when we get to Denver we all can go talk to Holiday and ask him if he wants to play for the Red Sox, lol. We’ll do some serious recruting for the Red Sox and I guess while we are there we might as well get Fuentes as well.

I will trade Manny to any team for a whole rotisserie chicken from Boston Market.

Gsm, I’m glad I missed the stone tablets. They went out of fashion shortly before my time.
A different age, my friend. We come from a different time. To illustrate; there was a store we’d go to, Ray’s Market. Ray was always there. Mom would write up a list and send me off. Ray would take the list from me and gather all the goods and lay them out on the counter. Then he’d ring them all up on a hand-crank cash register. He had one of those long grabbers that he’d use to get the stuff off the high shelves. I loved that thing. The bright red hot-dogs on a string. Ray knew every kid in the neighborhood and knew what their dads did for a living. If you couldn’t pay, he’d collect next time. Everybody knew who you were. If the old lady two doors down called you over and gave you a couple bucks and told you to get her such-and-such from Ray, well ,you had to do it. I’m not sure I would want to go back to those days, but it sure was a different era. And the stories my Dad told me about the butcher coming in a horse-drawn cart and the baker leaving bread by the back door and my Grandmother would put money out for him the next week. The green-grocer coming with HIS cart. And on and on. We’ve come a long way in a short time.
And so have the Sox. From Curse to First and now they will struggle to stay out of third place. That’s sports for ya.

If you gave a kid a handful of raw meat now you’d make the evening news. And not in a good way!

The lineup for today. Since we are in a discouraged state I decided a little madness will help us through the tough times.

LF – dbenjamin– Left field has been busy but since dbenjamin is interested in telescopes I’ve provided him with a computer terminal and a link to the hubble telescope for star gazing. dbenjamin, a well known scientist will examine the orion nebula tonight examining why such nebula would explain the origin of our solar system as any mid-size exploding star will generate the necessary elements including iron — the last element created before the fusion reactor of the sun collases and explodes the star.

2b – Ellen — Ellen will continue in second base but will be examining neanderthal fossils to determine if Manny R. is one of them. She will also use DNA evidence to explain that neanderthals are not human but did die out due to its provintial attitude.

DH – BosoxBrian — Brian will be performing experiments on the atomic level. We built for him a small particle accelerator to see if the breakdown of matter is possible at near light speeds. Julio Lugo will be the first to test it out. There is a danger of a mild nuclear fission explosion but bosoxbrian says ten beers will not affect his ability to push the right buttons.

3b – Arnie — Arnie’s kitchen has become so fantastic we’ve removed second third base and put a full sized kitchen. New England favorite Emerald Live will join in. Since this will be filmed all LAA players have been told to hit away from 3rd base while the show is going on. Arnie will be making his famous (we can’t tell you know. It’s a surprise)

1b – cfarnham04– cfarnham04 being an excellent drummer will be performing live with the reunited Archies tonight. They’ll start of with “sugar” and continue from there. The Partridge Family will perform after that with their first song being “Why has the music stopped” which is how cfarnham04 feels every time the Red Sox take the field.

C Jody Foster returns to the catching position tonight with 007chow working with Ellen on some dna experiments. Jody will be quite naked but will wear protective gear. We are sure the umpire will be professional and look at the ball coming to the plate and not what’s behind the plate.

SS – chman712 — chman712 will be reading the entire “Darwin’s theory of Evolution” while presenting a slide show and multimedia presentation. Tim McCarver and Migrane will be trying to explain to everyone that this is evidence they both have evolved but skeptics argue this will only soldify the argument against them.

RF – redsoxfan015 — redsoxfan015 will continue reading from “Bleakhouse” by Mark Twain today because this book never ends and goes on forever however he will also read from “Newton’s gravitational theory” and explain how Einstein’s spacetime principles are the only reason why the universe does not collide into one large explosion of matter. He will be using 3-d models as well as computer generated imaging to demonstrate the situation and end with a presentation by Steven Hawkings on wormholes.

p – gsm52 — gsm52 has had staples in his arm as well as hot glue to keep the muscles in place. In between pitches with Jody, he’ll join Jody in singing the selected works of Lawrence Welk with the Lawrence Welk orchestra behind him. The sound will be loud and there is concern it might interfere with some of the scientific experiments in the background. Jody and gsm52 will be hitting the hotel afterwards for a discussion of Ohm’s law.

p – Pangelotti — Pangelotti will be limited to an inning tonight since we had to sew both arms back tonight using a singer sewing machine however the stitches come out tomorrow. Pangelotti though as an excellent geologist will explain Greenland’s rock structure as being the oldest on the planet.

P – Rayman — will be pitching but he’s also doing a large presentation on dark matter and the discoveries of the Cassini space probe orbiting Saturn. He’ll be talking about Titan’s liquid methane surface as well as the discovery of the F – ring of Saturn.

1b coach — 007 chow. 007 will be discussing the probe to Pluto and why the ice ball of a planet got demoted to a planetoid due to its similar properties with comets. He will also discuss the expanding universe as a function of Hubble’s law and why the theory of anti-gravity may tear apart the universe in several million years. 007chow has several enhancers to help him cope with the inevidable doomsday senario but takes comfort that Migrane and Tim McCarver will join him.

Umpires — Rosanne will be the only umpire on the field. Everyone else ran away.

If I left anyone out please let me know since I want everyone to feel included.

Great lineup but how am I supposed to do my excavating and DNA testing if Arnies got the stove going at 2nd?
I’m afraid he might fall into one of dig pits, and we dont want our Chef every-jour injured, but I can back him up, as I’m a pretty good prep and sous chef.

I have to tell you all what happened to me on my way to work today. I was going across a bridge that spans the New River in Fort Lauderdale and noticed that at the base of the bridge the lane I was travelling in was being merged into the other lane. Well, there was a Policeman next to me in his cruiser, so I rolled my window down and motioned to him to ask if I could get ahead of him. Well there was a pause and then I hear over his loud speaker “sorry I don’t let RedSox fans in”!!! lol He was chuckling as he said this. Funny. I always say that baseball is a universal language, another instance that proves this is true!!

Ellen,

No worries, Arnie’s kitchen will go into the stands so there is plenty of room. We have also installed walls and a venting system so Arnie will have plenty of room. Arnie will feed the entire LAA staff. He says the food is “somewhat old and expired” but it will taste great.

Ellen, you’ll have to do your dig on the right field side of 2nd. But don’t worry, this ancient body still has a little dexterity left in it.
I’m working on a new menu for tomorrow’s game featuring all ketchup-based sauces. Tonight we have the Cajun feast.
Emerald and I are working on a new arrangement of the all-time worst rock and roll song “Me and You and a Dog Named Boo” Look for this zippy number at the 7th inning stretch. Look to avoid it, that is.
Tonight the Sox will win. Is Lester pitching? Oh no, wait, it’s Beckett. Look for the Sox to win one and a half to one. Lugo pinch runs for Tek and gets halfway to home when he realizes the Angels are hitting. But the Halos feel so sorry for the Sox that they give them a half run. They live to regret their generosity.

Arnie,

I’m so sorry you feel the Sox will win tonight. I would create a lot alcohol based setups.

Hey, guess what? Liza Minnelli has agreed to help Emerald and I with our dance steps since we have employed her “friend” Rosanne(who knew??) as umpire. It’s gonna be great!!
Dave, the Sox are going to win. I can feel it in my bones.

By the time the Sox play, we will know the results of the Rays and Yanks games. Let’s see how those over/underachievers react one way or the other. The Sox should win after facing tough Lackey.

Arnie,

Great idea but remember that despite the dance routine you will be feeding a lot of people and we’re depending on you. Theo is paying you $10,000 for the meal if you will just ensure him he can forget about this season with the Red Sox.

Hey everyone,

I almost hate to hear Tito speak. He just sounds like his entire life is over. It’s awful to hear him speak. he’s really depressed.

Oh, Theo can forget about this season all right! In fact, I would guess he’s already planning for next year.
And don’t worry about the food. I’ve got it covered. I’ve got the LAA meals aging in the sun right now!

Arnie,

Be sure if you say make a soup, tell them all the ingredients are “sun dried” not rotted. Very important to sell them the right idea. Also, be sure to include your colonic soup as it is a real favorite with the LAA (LOL)
How do you make Colonic soup anyway?

Arnie,

I’m assuming lots of raisins, prune juice, etc.

Okay, the he Rays won their game and the Yanks are KILLING the O’s. We have to help our own cause tonight.
I’m going to be REALLY<SERIOUSLY PISSED if we doget the broom. Tjhose guys in Beantown DO NOT want me to go To BOSTON do they??? Hell hath no fury like a rose colored eye glass wearing Pollyana SCORNED. Like my dad and mom used to say “Do NOT make me come after you, you’re sorry now??? I’ll give you something to be sorry about!!!! (of course they said that to my brothers, not me (haha)).
But, I think I’ll buy some stock in the O’Cedar company before the market closes today, just in case.

BIG NEWS OUT OF SOUTH FLORIDA/BOSTON: Peter Gammons and Buster Olney reporting that Marlins are in SERIOUS discussions with the RedSox about a trade for Manny Ramirez. The big news is that Jeffery Luria would even THINK about parting with the kind of money that it will take to get Manny. That would be a great trade for the Marlins, but I can only think of a couple of guys who might be involved Dan Uggla and Hanley Ramirez.. Welcome home Hanley??

Dave
Greenland has what is called the Isua Supracrustal Belt which is dated 3.8 billion years ago. They are almost as old as Manny’s dreadlocks, which are related to the hanging Gardens of Babylon. These dreadlocks are the reason that Manny behaves the way he does. They are known to sap the mental capacity from the brain. Once they reach equilibrium they implore you to run around like an idiot and wear a stupid grin on your face in addition to becoming totally incoherent.

Dave,
Thanks for putting me in the line-up. I’ll mark this day on my calender. BTW—I fat fingered my way to the Atlanta Baraves site by mistake last night. I saw the line-up they had without Texiera, Chipper Jones and Brain McCann and it was sad. It made me think. I can’t remember the last time the Sox actually “packed it in” at the trade deadline. What a sad thing for fans whose teams give up in July. The Sox may pi$$ me off at times, but the lineup that goes out there day to day is close to the lineup that won it all last year. It would be a long summer if the Sox had a fire sale. As bad as Manny’s attitude is, they can’t give him away for nothing before the season is over. Go SAWX!!!!!!

Well the Yanks just picked up Pudge Rodriguez from the Tigers for Farnswoth. Another good deal for the Yanks with Posada out for rest of the season. What are the Sox doing? So far-NOTHING!!! Wait till next year.

Well the Yanks just picked up Pudge Rodriguez from the Tigers for Farnswoth. Another good deal for the Yanks with Posada out for rest of the season. What are the Sox doing? So far-NOTHING!!! Wait till next year.

The Yanks getting Rodriguez was a nice little deal but nothing earth shattering. Yanks biggest problem is starting pitching. They have 3 good starters ( Mussina being 1 of the 3 ) who knows if Mussina will hold out the rest of the way, unlikely. There 4th and 5th starters are a total mess. Farnsworth has pitched well as of late. This could open up another deal, perhaps a reliever or starter going to N.Y. we shall see. Boston has done nothing so far. I assume they will make a trade for a reliever. A year ago Boston ended up with Gagne and they won it without him. I love the Angels trade of Texeria, some much added punch in the middle of that lineup. If the Rays add a bat to their lineup, someone like Jason Bay, that would be huge for the Rays. The Rays have some big time pitching. I still think this Ramirez situation reminds me of the Nomar situation back in 2004. A cloud hanging over the team. I know they’re professional athletes but they are still human. Players/coaches have to wonder if Ramirez is going or staying. If he does stay, Boston hopes he will play for a contract and be the Ramirez that we have seen over the years. Always a tough time of year for players, so many rumors/rumblings of this player and that player. I think sometimes we as fans forget they are human. Still no excuse for lackluster play. I’m no Yankee fan but they seem to play with more life than the Red Sox right now. Yanks were down by 4 last night in the 9th and they almost tied the game. If Boston is down by that many runs right now, I would say they are done, no comeback happening!!!

I can see why one sends duplicate, or triplicate messages. When you click on Submit and nothing seems to happen- it takes a long time to respond- so you click on Submit again thinking nothing happened. Than you find that you sent a duplicate message.

I can see why one sends duplicate, or triplicate messages. When you click on Submit and nothing seems to happen- it takes a long time to respond- so you click on Submit again thinking nothing happened. Than you find that you sent a duplicate message.

We score two to make it close. They get up and score– at least– two. We can’t stand prosperity.

What has happened to Beckett?

Tito- when is enough, enough?? How long is it going to take you to pull Beckett. He has nothing!

Yea, you have to wait a while — do a couple of refreshes, or close out, and come back in after a waiting a while. Maybe more profiling of posts is going on before they are allowed to be posted…. wait, that can’t be it — otherwise none of Dave’s messages would get posted!!!

How many times has Beckett this year on a pickoff attempt throw one away? I think I have seen him do that a handful of times this year. 1 is too many in my book.

The Angels sweep the Red Sox!!! This one is over!!!

Beckett fooled absolutely no one!!!

Hmmm…lets see, testing. Trying to post and it’s been a no-go. You have to wonder if Theo is working on a big trade and that’s why nothing else has happened. It can’t be easy to try and trade Manny. Get value, but also get rid of him without much time to spare.
Josh had nothing after the 3rd.

Ouch! Beckett descending into a down right poor year, is more than we will probably be able to recover from. He is been off or struggling all year.

Yanks trading for Pudge is puzzling to me as well. Not sure I agree with that move. You already have pulled Joba from the Pen, now Farnzworth — they must think they have stronger arms in the pen that I realized…. plus Molina has been playing better than Posada (if you are really objective).

Don’t get it… but it may be good news for the SOX.

I think Ian needs a new thread here. Could that change the luck of the Red Sox? lol.

That one went through. I tried a couple times this afternoon and nothing happened.

This one’s ovah.

And Delcarmen gives up inherited runners.I don’t care what kind of trade their is, just get a trade

You know things are going bad when Youkilis makes an error. Lowell had an error last night. What will happen next? Red Sox are playing with ZERO confidence!!!

Wow! Sox are in meltdown mode tonight. This is one UGLY game.

Sox go 1-8 against the Angels this year. 6 of the 9 games at Fenway.

Where is Kelly Lee? Is Buttermaker managing? Chico’s Bail Bond’s should be on the back of their jersey’s. lol. Rudy Stein? Ugliest game I have seen the Sox play under Francona.

Looks like the Sox ate the food I had prepared for the Angels. OOPS! Well, these things are going to happen. I just hope Rosanne doesn’t come out in the 7th inning stretch and sing! Then ereryone will be sick.

Did Ian get traded? For another blogger to be named later. Perhaps he is working extremly hard, so many articles to write. I am sure it is not fun for Ian, among other scribes to go into the clubhouse after these type of games. I assume most players exit quick, especially with the off day tomm. If I was the Angels, I wouldn’t want to leave Boston. lol.

Red Sox are on pace for 92 wins.

virus has to go out of the clubhouse whether you get anything or not. this team will be better off

…ereryone…haha

A complete team meltdown – offense, defense, and pitching. Mr. Epstein, please hold on to your prospects and plan for next week. What a joke! Look what did your rival the Yanks do before the deadline? Thanks to Baltimore or the Sox would be one game behind the Yanks.

pangelotti,

What a pleasure it is to talk to someone who is aware of the history of the planet. In Nashville, the planet is:
1) 6000 years old
2) Had no other life that what you see in front of your eyes
3) Science is junk
4) The IPod came because it was willed into creation.

As far as the Red Sox, Theo is being smart. Very few teams repeat and by keeping the same team and keeping budgets low (relatively speaking) you preserve prospects for future teams and build within. Let’s face it, the Sox will rebuild over the winter and have a better team next year. Right now the Sox will play out the year and whatever position they are in, they will still sell out crowds and draw media attention. Loyalty in Fenway is there.
As far as Manny, it’s hard to say. This year is a bad year to make choices which is why Theo is waiting till the end of the year. With the Japan trip and a very tough first half and injuries, etc. everyone needs to finish the season and settle back. IMHO

Is this the low point? Will we look at this game and say,”July 30th was the game that woke ‘em up, and after that they got a fire lit under them and tore through the league.”

Arnie,

I think this game is the high point. Personally I have never eaten so good in my life. Your entire menu filled my belly to the point I am almost wobbling around the stadium. Thank you so much. Your Indian Lentil dish was extraordinary as well as your Thai dishes. You just amaze me.
Also, when you hand out the “sun dried” dishes, don’t have Manny R. hand them out. He switched containers to the Red Sox. He’s desperate to have someone like him nowadays.

Dave, I’ll make my off-season house in Hawaii, LOL. I know that it is frustrating, but it is (about) August. I have gone through the same things this year. But they can turn it around. I’m not putting the towel in yet

Oh Dave, that reminds me. Can you put me in right field tomorrow? I want to set up a pizza bar out there for the game. I need a lot of space to toss the dough(I tend to fling it everywhere) and I’ll need to get a couple masons to build 2 brick wood-fired ovens. And I need Isabella Rossellini to be my assistant, so please fly her in to Fenway. Have you ordered my black chef’s jacket with the pearl buttons yet? Helps me concentrate. Thanks in advance. And my new agent, Scott, will be calling after tonight’s game with my contract for you to sign.

We live on a planet? I thought those were way out there in outer space. Did you all know I am really from Nashville, hehe? JK

Yes, I agree… looks like Theo was the smart one afterall. Why bother trying to win this year with these guys. I just feel so sorry for Youks, Pedroia, Lester, Drew, and maybe 1 or 2 other guys who actually showed up this year. Who knows, if a team as bad as the Rockies were last year could win 21 of 22… maybe we can 6 of 10 the rest of the way out and sneak into the playoffs?

Can we talk?? Okay, let me check my blood pressure 250/120?? Well is it any freakin wonder?? What did I tell you guys about us getting 2 on the board??> It is an omen of baaaaad things. Thisa is the Josh Beckett twins from 2006. One night we get the good Josh, the next we get the EVIL twin. That’s the one we have seen recently.
I am so freakin pissed I cant even begin to tell you. My husband left the house. And that was AFTER I turned off the game. This CRAP makes me so sick!! Its like they have just folded up the carnival tent and gone home. This has been a total freak show. I did turn the game back on by the way. I just cant take my rose colored glasses off totally. I’m down to one lense. Please, somebody else tell me that you feel like crying with the way these World Champions are playing. Do we have an over/under for when they play the Little League Champions?? Sorry but your head cheerleader is going with the little guys. I dont see how the youngsters cant win. Can you??
What the hell is up with all the balls that got through tonight?? That NEVER happens…. We had/have one of the best infields in all of baseball!!
Now I’ll ask a question: Do you think that this has anything to do with all the garbage going on with the Manny situation?? You can see Terry’s face when he’s on camera. It looks like he’d rather be having a double root canal/gum scraping than managing our Sox. I swear that if that man doesn’t have a heart attack I’ll be happily surprised. He’s the rope in the tug of war between the players and the mgmt/qwnership, so right now he’s got to REALLY feel the pressure. HEY ARNIE think Kentucky Fried Chicken in the pressure vat.
I just don’t know what to do….. These are OUR GUYS. And I love them dearly. They are a part of my everyday life, more than some of my family.

Should we call and schedule time with them, and give them a really good bhutt chewing?? or do we treat them like Manny has been treated for so long?? Waht do we say when we’re asked about our team?? Do we just simply chuckle and say “Oh, it’s ok, it’s just the RedSox, being the RedSox”??
Hey Manny, the weather is GREAT down here, lots of people from your home country, great food, great places to go..
Maybe Miami should be your new home.

To all my family here: I’m sorry I went off on this tonight, but I just can’t take much more. I LOVE MY SOX but this is breaking my heart and I’m getting close to tears with this CRAP.

With the Farnsworth trade: Will he be less able to throw at Youks head?? If so, that’s a good thing.. Plus I cant stand his nick name. “FARNSY” I keep waiting for Richie, Potsy and Malph to be announced with him.

Less able meaning fewer meetings/matchups.

I’m glad I didn’t waste my time watching the game tonight. This is really ticking me off. Looks like I wasted $129 on the Extra Innings Package for the rest of the year. Freaking Sox haven’t won a game since I bought it.

I’m lost for words…… and that’s a first. It does seem like the Manny blowup has taken it’s toll on this team. Let’s face it, Manny has been here for a long time and was well liked by his team mates. He was an important part of the Sox success over the past few years and losing him creates a huge hole in the middle of the lineup. I think everyone is aware that the Sox are not interested in keeping Manny around and that has to create a very uneasy situation for Tito and the rest of the players. I can see where winning becomes less important than personal feelings in some cases. It would not appear there is a lot of enthusiasm right about now.

Well, at least we have a great chef.

Ellen, try and calm down a bit. We are all totally frustrated with the way the Sox have been playing. The situation is compounded because our ‘friendly rivals” the Yanks are winning more frequently than we are and have closed the ground between us. But, from a positive note ( if there can be one) is the fact that we are playing sooooooo baaaaad and we are really still in contention. We are bound to be playing better ball in the next couple of months. If we don’t, then we do not deserve to win anything. The thing is that we have no control over how the Sox or any other team plays. And that is frustrating. I really feel that the whole isue with Manny has had a significantly detrimental effect on the Sox. The team knows that when Manny plays ball like he could, that he has profound effect on the outcome of any given game and that for him to be in the mood that he is currentl in does not help the team.
The Sox have until tomorrow afternoon to make some decisions. If Manny is not traded then, we either back off and hope that he changes his attitude– which I doubt he will, and managemnt clearly loses face in the eyes of the Sox and the baseball world or they do something more radical. I think if they sent him down to Pawtucket for a week and then bring him back up and let him be a backup to Coco, maybe his attitude will change. Particularly if the Sox happen to win during this period. Hey, Drew picked the team up when Papi was out. The Sox have nothig to lose.

Gsm,

It sounds like the Red Sox are really trying to trade away Ramirez. Marlins bound? Rumors and more rumors. 3 way deal in the works, time will tell. I think if this deal goes thru ( anyone’s guess if it will ) I think the Pirates will have Omar Moreno, Willie Randolph and Dave Parker left to play. lol. I am very glad I am not a Pirates fan.

I still think this Ramirez situation reminds me of the Nomar ordeal back in 2004. A distraction, no doubt about it. I still don’t know why the Marlins would want Ramirez for 2 months. I don’t think much of a chance Ramirez signs an extension in south Florida, even though Ramirez lives down there. Mets bound? Yankee bound? Ramirez will end up there in 2009 and beyond. Alot of different scenarios for sure.

Now I know why the Sox have tanked it, you bought extra innings, lol. S.I. jinx? lol. Gsm jinx? lol. Things that make me go mmmmmmm.

Gsm,

It sounds like the Red Sox are really trying to trade away Ramirez. Marlins bound? Rumors and more rumors. 3 way deal in the works, time will tell. I think if this deal goes thru ( anyone’s guess if it will ) I think the Pirates will have Omar Moreno, Willie Randolph and Dave Parker left to play. lol. I am very glad I am not a Pirates fan.

I still think this Ramirez situation reminds me of the Nomar ordeal back in 2004. A distraction, no doubt about it. I still don’t know why the Marlins would want Ramirez for 2 months. I don’t think much of a chance Ramirez signs an extension in south Florida, even though Ramirez lives down there. Mets bound? Yankee bound? Ramirez will end up there in 2009 and beyond. Alot of different scenarios for sure.

Now I know why the Sox have tanked it, you bought extra innings, lol. S.I. jinx? lol. Gsm jinx? lol. Things that make me go mmmmmmm.

I was upset when Nomar was traded in 2004 because I was afraid of the unknown. He was such a mainstay with the club and the lineup was built around him. But Theo did the right thing and the team hit after burners right after that. I had no idea how much cancer Nomar was spreading in the locker room. Now I can’t imagine what it must be like with Manny in there. How do you apply damage control after what he said about the Sox? It’s up to Theo now and I trust him. He knows how the water is in the clubhouse and he’ll pull the string if he has to. I’m not packing it in yet.

I know that you’re right Phil, but I’m the one with the ever so optimisitic outlook.. If looks this bad to me, it must be really awful…
nay way sorry about the long post earlier.. GOOD NIGHT NATIONERS!!

cfarn—-Nomar was one of my favorite players but the Sox made the right move. It was a very gutsy move by Theo and the Red Sox. His own brother questioned him about that deal. That is rough when your own blood questions you, lol. Nomar was obviously on the down side of his career. Damaged goods. I didn’t like the smear campaign by Larry L. after the Red Sox dealt him. D. Lowe came close to being dealt that same day as well. Obviously Boston made the right move not dealing Lowe away that day.

There are probably about 59 other stories with Ramirez we don’t even know about. It doesn’t mean he is a bad guy. He just beats to a different drummer at times. The Red Sox control what gets out and what doesn’t. Why is he the only player on this current team that is having all sorts of issues? He doesn’t like the idea of the Red Sox holding all the cards. In a perfect world Ramirez plays hard game in and game out but that would be asking too much I guess. I’m sure it is a very long season and there will be times when you need day off here and there. Especially when you get older like Ramirez is. I’m sure Varitek isn’t 100 % healthy but we don’t here him asking out of the lineup do we? Pedroia played the final month last year with a broken bone in his wrist, did we here him complain and ask out of the lineup? So many various personalites on a team and also different coutries/cultures as well. Ramirez should be mad at his former agent Jeff Moorad for these options in 2009 and 2010. They said only reason those options are there is Moorad wanted the contract to total 200 million. I just want the Sox to play the way they are capable of, if they do they should win the division.

What can we think about this? I’m sitting here dumbfounded, wondering if this will turn around ala 2004 or will the season turn into 2006 with a late tailspin? It’s true that there is a lot of baseball yet to be played and the Sox DID turn things around in ’04, but at the same time; this is a very talented team! Could it be that all the travel, the injuries, the pressure of defending a world title and now the Manny fiasco has just proved to be too much? The talent isn’t enough to overcome all the other crap? A guy like Manny could cause a lot of mayhem in the clubhouse, I don’t doubt it. If that’s the case then why not just send him home and move on until he can be gotten rid of? That won’t exactly sit well with the guys at first, but they may respond with a renewed intensity after a few days go by and they see that the team is more cohesive without Manny. If he was my employee, I’d sit him down and tell him that he would be happier if he just went home. He’s a distraction and he is affecting everyone negatively. I’d try to get him to see that he’d be better off if he quit, he’s not happy and niether are his fellow team mates. It’s not working out anymore so take a positive step and leave on your own instead of us having to give you the boot. Then at least Manny could be taking charge of his destiny and his team mates could see that he went out on his own terms. He wasn’t shoved out the door. He could be spreading all kinds of poison against the management and stirring up all sorts of ill-will in the clubhouse. Just go, Manny. GO! Some other team will pick him up.

I’m sitting here watching Costas Now which is all about baseball, its history, Hall of Fame stuff, the state of the game and a whole lot of stuff. Really good program.

As I was watching I was thinking about Manny and how sad this whole situation is as it was with Nomar in 2004. Here’s a guy who has become a Hall of Fame player over the course of his time with the Sox. This year we witnessed his 500th home run and the fans were ecstatic when it happened. He has meant so much to the Red Sox and to us. He has created some problems, but he has also brought us a lot of joy and a lot of smiles with some of his antics. He shared his becoming a citizen with us and I won’t soon forget his running out to left field proudly carrying his little American flag. There is no question he will be a Hall of Famer…… I wonder what cap he will be wearing. I don’t want to see Manny leave like this. He doesn’t deserve it, and neither do we.

There are a lot of similarities with Manny and Nomar, but there are a lot of differences. At the time of his departure, Nomar had the highest lifetime batting average among active right handed hitters. Even today, his lifetime average is higher than Manny’s. Had he continued to play like he was playing, he likely would have been a Hall of Fame candidate at some point. Unfortunately, he couldn’t stay healthy. I think he’s played four games since he left the Sox and I saw the other day where he’s back on DL with a hamstring problem or something.

In today’s game, losing players who have become a part of our every day lives is a common part of the business. I remember when it was all about the game. I’m watching Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and Bob Gibson talk and I think that guys like A-Rod and Manny make more in a year than these guys did over the course of their entire careers, combined. You watch and listen to these guys talk about baseball, and it’s pure baseball. They’re talking about a game played 45 years ago when the Braves played the Giants. Warren Spahn and Juan Marichal both pitched complete 16 inning games which Mays won with a home run, 1-0. How good is that.

I love baseball, but sometimes today’s game and all it’s “business” and issues make me weary. If you haven’t seen this episode of Costas now, you should find it and watch it. It’s a great baseball program.

gsm52,

You’re hitting sentimentality. Wow you are getting depressed. Remember “wait till next year’ The reality is that teams don’t often repeat for good reason — it’s very hard since every team wants to beat you. Add that to Japan, a brutal first half and struggles and tempers are bound to flair.

gsm52,

You’re hitting sentimentality. Wow you are getting depressed. Remember “wait till next year’ The reality is that teams don’t often repeat for good reason — it’s very hard since every team wants to beat you. Add that to Japan, a brutal first half and struggles and tempers are bound to flair.
Personally I’d hate to see Manny go. He has a lot of history with the team and circumstances created more tension than Manny himself. I’d hate to see Manny go to the Marlins. He’ll rot there and I doubt they’d put up with him any more than Boston does. For sure he’ll never wear a Sox cap in the Hall if he leaves the team this year.
Listen, enjoy your night with Jody. Discuss Ohm’s law and take it easy. In the end, it’s entertainment and of course a lot of fun.
Since the Sox have a day off look for the lineup for Friday’s game but I may post it early.

It’s sad. But Manny brought this on himself, I think. He dropped those hints that he wanted to stay and when the FO did not respond right then and there(as we all would have known that they wouldn’t) he let that fester and get under his skin. It seems to have snow-balled and now it looks to be too late. Manny’s probably a lot more emotional than he lets on and once he started to feel shunned he just got bitter and angry. I think he’s convinced this is all the Sox FO’s fault. And he feels slighted. He might be blowing this way out of proportion. We all know how easy it is for a relationship to go sour and both sides feel like they’ve been hosed. And most times it could all be avoided if both parties would just step back for a minute and take a breath and try to see the whole picture instead of only seeing their side of it. But once you are embroiled in the fracas it’s so painfully difficult to take that necessary step back. Such is the human condition. Sad sometimes.

Quite honestly, I enjoy watching Manny bat when he’s ON. But when he just goes up there nonchalantly and does nothing, then wanders back to the dugout like nothing’s wrong after getting blown away by an opposing pitcher, I take the same approach to him as he does to the game at that point ….. uh, who cares? I do NOT miss him in the outfield when the tandem of Ellsbury, Crisp, and Drew are out there. Not a single fly ball gets away from that crew. If they trade him.. well…. ho hum…. okay. Who Cares?

Someone made a comment about sending Manny down to Pawtucket for a week or so and making him Coco’s backup when he gets back.

Amen.

A little humble pie might whet the appetite. Or for the wrong person, might throw gasoline on the fire.

Ellen, don’t sweat it. The West Texas Red Sox Nation believes that the division still belongs to us. The Rays will probably fade and the Yanks will make it interesting. Your boy Lowell will pull out of his slump and I think the Fall might just turn out swwwweeeeet in the end.

Manny? Take him or leave him. If he goes to the Marlins, we’ll never hear his name again. Well…. maybe on Sports Center’s Outside the Lines. Oh, and if you really are bummed out about him, you could always hop in the car and drive over to watch him play in person with the other 15 Marlins fans. No fightin’ for tickets, either!

My dear fellow commenters:
I am frustrated and infuriated and dejected as most of you are. But let’s not be despair. The worst is over. Let the season begin on Friday with a new LF. No doubt LAA is a better team which the Sox will not see again until the post season. Yes, there will be post season. The Sox will meet the Rays and the Yanks each 6 more times. May the better team win!

Hey, BosoxBrian:

I guess I don’t understand why you make Manny’s 2 – 1 year options @ $20 Mil. per sound like something South of the clap? A 36- year old man has the opportunity to play for a team that has shown marked success over much of his career for another $20 Mil. per. With their post season success, that $20 Mil. gets added to, although I recognize its comparatively small. And with all the extra loot he makes selling gas grilles on e-bay (lol), what’s the beef? I remember one of the other great Indian sluggers of recent vintage Albert (Joey in another life) Belle. Hit a lot of dingers, then lost control and started chasing Halloween kids around. Ultimately, he played out his option and went to the White Sox, swearing it wasn’t for the money (while just about doubling his salary). Eventually, he wound up in Baltimore, who paid him for several years when he didn’t even play.

While I’m not sure that its fair to speculate that Manny could go postal a la Albert Belle, I clearly recognize that the Sox don’t want to pay twice for Manny’s performance over they ears. They have already paid him well for what he has done. While he may have some decent years ahead of him (I don’t think his hitting 600 home runs is a stretch, but I think his suggestion of 700 is only in his dreams), I’m sure that they don’t want to pay him more for years when he doesn’t approximate what he has done in the past (similar to what the Orioles didn’t get out of Belle — they got the worst of all situations, paying a former outstanding player for performance he had for ANOTHER team!).

This is one instinct/business motivation that has put the Sox and the Patriots on a level all to themselves: knowing when to pay and when to say good-bye. At times it can appear cold and calculating, but if you don’t, you are going to go through some down periods where you have a disproportionate amount of your payroll effectively committed to under (or non) performance. Anyone remember the Yankees and Kevin Brown…or does the Mustache Man, whose hitting numbers are significantly less than Manny’s but whose salary is considerably more..or Carl Pavano (whom I was hoping the Sox would pick up — shame on me)…ring a bell. The Sox position with Tek this off-season will be interesting in that regard. Whatever happens, I know that both sides will approach it and conduct themselves in a business-like manner. I’m not sure what Manny insinuates about Pedro…the Sox made Petey a decent offer after 2004…Petey felt he was entitled to more…the Mets offered it to him…Pedro said good-bye…The Sox said a very professional thank you…and the Mets have been paying Pedro for performance he had already been paid for…mostly with the Sox.

I find the current trade rumours intriguing. Jason Bay is only 30, and his numbers approximate Manny’s except for his salary which, according to reports, is less than half of Manny’s. Whatever he does for the balance of the season, the clubhouse will be quieter, and the Sox then have an affordable, relatively young, front line outfielder to either keep or to dangle in front of the Rockies in search of Matt Holliday, with Manny and his salary off their payroll. (Sometimes I can’t get off a topic when I wrap my arms around it). The Rockies would never consider taking Manny in return for Holliday, but they might accept Bay and his reduced salary, along with some deal-sweetening.

I know there is a long way to go before “this deal is real”, and much of the control in the deal is locked inside Manny’s differently oriented mind. However, Bay’s got to want to move from the Pirates to the Sox, the Marlin youngsters can’t have any say in the deal, and the Sox need to figure out what prospect they are willing to add to the deal: while I certainly wouldn’t include Ellsbury, Lester or Masterson, I’m not sure there’s much else I wouldn’t consider, recognizing, if the Sox are interested in pursuing Holliday, that they will have to maintain much of their talent reservoir to accomplish that feat.

I remember the Yankee games just before “the Deal” was done in 2004: most of the Sox were fighting, except Nomar, who was sitting in the dugout, complaining about his injuries, while Jeter (his counter-part) was crashing into the stands to catch foul balls, bloodying himself in the process. Sounds familiar to me: Manny — another Sox icon who is coming up lame when performing gets tougher (i. e., facing the best heaters in the business), and the Sox foundering. Can Bay and whoever else the Sox get rejuvenate the Sox the way Orlando Cabrera, Dave Roberts and Doug Mientkiewicz energized the 2004 Sox? Only time will tell.

There are concerns…Josh Beckett is not pitching the way Schill did in 2004…this year’s bullpen has to catch fire the way that bullpen ultimately did…and the team has to want it as much as they did back then. Saying it isn’t enough…you’ve got to go out on the field and find a way to win the games you have been losing. Down 7-2 you can’t rally to lose more respectably at 7-5, you have to rally and win 9-7! That the Sox have stopped doing. Hopefully, they can yet assemble the missing elements they need to make it happen…they certainly have sufficient talent…They are not out of it yet, but are facing an August month full of tough road games. If they can gut out August (when they evaporated in 2006) they can cruise through September.

Let’s hope!!!

I like the parallel to Nomar back in 2004. We should get rid of Manny now, especially if we can get Jason Bay out of the deal. His hitting stats are very comparible to Manny and I’m sure he’s better than Manny in every other category (defense, running, showing up for work, etc.)

Where the heck is Ian these days? Did he already jump off the sinking ship? Massive losing streak… season going down the toilet… trade deadline upon us… and no cutting insight from our fearless leader? What gives? Is he sleeping through the whole thing like Theo?

Ellen
No need to apologize for the length and substance of your comments. I am sure that they come from the heart. I only wish that it does not have any detrimental effect on your health. Your health is far more important than anything the Sox, and for that matter, and any other team does. Letting everyone on this blog know how you feel enables the rest of us to commiserate with you, and ourselves, to the extent that we try to vent our frustrations and maintain our sanity. Keep your comments coming. We all appreciate how you feel. Let’s hope the Sox pick themselves up, after this fiasco is over, and play the quality of ball that we know they could. Go Sox.

I will miss Brandon Moss.

I think the price (Hansen, Mioss, Manny & $7M) for acquiring Jason Bay is little too steep. But for the sake of getting rid of a disgruntled player, I will make the deal.

Manny the idea,

If there were sides to blame we can look at both Boston and Manny for this fiasco. In fairness, The Sox have one goal “win world series”. They are not there to cater, to pander nor to be your mother. This is a business relationship and Manny burned that bridge.
Early in Spring Manny came in fit and determined to play. Like a child looking for Mommy’s attention Manny assumed that the Sox would just read his mind and offer him that deal. Instead Manny reacted like a pouting child in time out shoving the hitting coach to the ground, screaming via the press and going to attack Kevin Youk. Now the pouting child of course realized his behavior so he deflects blame “I’m too good for the Red Sox” and “they don’t deserve me”. Ramirez of course spent time in an organization that puts up with his crap because he’s valuable. What does that say about the Red Sox. They should have dealt a firmer and harder hand with Manny. Terry takes the crap and the Sox turn a dead ear because Manny is valuable.
Now Manny is ALMOST gone. Manny the spoiled brat is gone ready to haunt another team with his attitude.
The Sox should know better. Players here need to have thick skin, professional attitudes and treat the game as a business and be a grown up. Children don’t belong in Boston. They belong in the playpen until they are ready to grow up.
I know, I’m usually funny but frankly Manny’s attitude and the attitude of this business is sickening. If Kevin Cash did anything like this he would have been long gone. What kind of message are you sending to the players — you’re a superstar, you can do what you want and we don’t care.
Finally, we have to blame the fans. Fans want World Series and put up with a lot…but in fairness Manny made them realize that a professional atmosphere is also a great thing.
The one thing that I hope comes out of this is that Tito gets a break from the baby in diapers…now on his way to Atlanta.

Scratch that. Manny is going to the Dodgers. I will also miss Moss and Hansen. Both had great potential. Sox also got a pitcher and a third basemen in the deal and didn’t have to eat Manny’s $20 million. Instead LA will eat that fat bowl of mush.
Will this mean a calmer clubhouse — YES.

Well, the divorce is final and Manny is leaving for L.A. I bet Joe Torre is a happy camper. Nomar is there and so is Bill Mueller (in the F.O.).
I thank Manny for all he did for the RedSox, and I truly wish him well.
Good Luck Manny

What’s wrong with this site? I tried to post twice and it doesn’t go thru. Anyway, I hope the team can move on now. And I second that thought, 007. I’ll miss Moss.
Do we still need a reliever?
Here’s to a great 2nd half.
Trivia: What comic book character was, “Trapped in a world he never made.”? Prize, a week on the island of Kauai with Dave and his family.

Well, I hope all the Manny naysayers are happy. I also hope that while we think about what has transpired over the past couple of weeks, we don’t forget what Manny Ramirez has brought to the Red Sox since 2001. Like his antics or not, he has been one of the most productive hitters in baseball during that time. He and David Ortiz might have been the most prolific one-two punch in baseball history and there’s no doubt that Papi was a huge benefactor of having a hitter of Manny’s caliber right behind him in the lineup. I know Manny could be a pain in the ****. But I loved to watch him play most of the time. He seemed to have fun and always seemed to smile. Baseball is a game, it should be fun.

I attribute this whole mess to two things, and neither of them is Manny…… OK, maybe three things and one of them is Manny. The first is the option years on Manny’s contract. I just don’t understand the logic in that whole process. It’s never a good deal for the player. Either he’s going to be told the option isn’t going to be picked up in which case he’ll be upset, or the club will pick up an option which is way below what the player is worth, in which case he will still also be upset. The second thing is Scott Boras. I have no doubt this whole thing was a Boras design. If Manny is happy and has a good year, Boras make zero dollars when the Sox pick up his option. His entire motivation was to get Manny out of Boston and get rid of the options. He succeeded in doing both. And of course, Manny being Manny didn’t help.

Theo must have really wanted to get this thing done. He gives up Manny, $7 million, Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen for Jason Bay. Bay is a good, but not great ball player. I’d put him in the Drew category. He’s got a little pop so we’ll see if he is the spark the Sox are looking for. I am happy for Moss who had no future in Boston. He will get a chance to play now, and I think he’s ready for the big leagues. Hansen has good stuff and maybe he’ll flourish in a place like Pittsburgh where there is much less pressure. He certainly has the potential to be a very good closer.

Still, there is a void now with Manny missing, at least to me. Dave, you said it was the sentimentality kicking in. You’re right. Baseball is a very sentimental game and for us old time Red Sox fans, well we get attached to our players. Manny was an institution in Boston, quirks and all. I hope fans remember the good times and I hope Manny and the Sox can find a way to mend hurt feelings and appreciate what they did for each other. The Sox paid Manny very well to produce, and he did.

Like I told Brian in an earlier email, I need to go somewhere and stuff myself with some of Arnies victuals.

Arnie ……. “Trapped in a World he never Made” would be Howard the Duck. Didn’t they make a movie about him a while back. I remember Howard the Duck who was a Marvel Comics character. I think I remember something else about Howard the Duck. He had to start wearing pants because he looked too much like Donald Duck without them and that didn’t sit well with Disney who thought Howard was infringing on Donald’s character a little too much. LOL! Howard the Duck. You’re a piece of work Arnie.

Oh my God…….. now I have to go to Hawaii with Dr. Dave Dimento and Mrs. Dave and all the Davelets.

Thanks for all you had done for us over the years Manny, but in the end it got to be wayyyyyy too much bull**** and if we had kept him he would have turned into a clubhouse cancer over the final two months. Good Riddance to you…

Glad to see Bay on the Sox for the next year and a half. He isn’t Manny but Jason Bay will be NOWHERE near the headache that Manny Ramirez was. That being said Bay had comparable numbers this year and like Lowell and any right handed hitter will benefit from the Green Monster and will benefit from hitting behind Ortiz.

First Manny; Thanks for the laughs, the World Series MVP and the walk-off in the ALDS last year. But the problems happened and it turned out bad. Thanks for the years. See you in the Hall years from now. Hopefully in a Boston cap.

Now Bay; They did a good part of the trade HERE. Also, like gsm said, it is less money and more years. Welcome to Boston, Jason.

I am going to Boston and see the Red Sox and I am going really early tommorow. I am also going to see Bay’s 2nd and 3rd game in a Boston uniform. See you all on tuesday(when I get back).

Ramirez exits before Lugo, hmmmm, what kind of logic is that — could not they have thrown Lugo in the deal straight up for Garciapara — now that would be poetic !

I’m disappointed that the Sox gave up Hansen and Moss and did not get a reliever in addition to Jason Bay. However, it is abundantly clear to me that the Sox were desperate to end their relationship with Manny. I strongly suspect that the Front Office asked Tito if he could win this year with Manny. I also suspect that you see the answer.

He gave the Sox (and before that the Indians) a lot of great moments. Interesting that he ends up being managed by Joe Torre, who tried all those years to figure out how to cope with Manny’s hitting. Now he just has to figure out how to cope with everything else. Good Luck Joe, I’m afraid you’ll need it!

We need to laugh so here is the lineup.

LF – dbenjamin– Dbenjamin is feeling depressed today so he’ll be performing Wagner opera in the key of C# and although slightly off key, it will reflect the grief we feel.

2b – Ellen — Ellen will continue in second base but will be singing the chorus to J.S. Bach Matthauspassion with ten violins and a jug of whiskey.

DH – BosoxBrian — Brian will be singing the songs of Fiddler On The Roof including “SunRise…sunset” before weeping openly for ten minutes while the Star Trek theme plays.

RF – Arnie — Arnie’s kitchen will be featuring funeral food of all varieties but has not disclosed to me what it will be about. He will also be singing Russian Opera so I suspect Russian food.

1b – cfarnham04– cfarnham04 being an excellent drummer will before tribal burial music while howling like the wolves.

C Jody Foster returns to the catching position tonight wondering what is going on seeing an entire stadium of weeping going on.

SS – chman712 — chman712 will be doing the singing to Beethoven’s final symphony fifth movement or will be performing Bachs passion of Luke. One he recovers from his depression he’ll decide.

3b – redsoxfan015 — redsoxfan015 will be reading from Milton and them some Russian poetry. He’s prepared though — he’ll be quite intoxicated.

p – gsm52 — gsm52 is feeling better but filled with bitterness over Manny. He will be performing an Opera made from his own heart with kettle drum, violin and bazooka (and we’re not talking the musical variety)

p – Pangelotti — Pangelotti will be limited to an inning tonight since he’s on a strick schedule of anti-depressants.

P – Rayman — will be pitching but he’s also doing a large presentation on the nature of man and its barbarity while performing choral music.

1b coach — 007 chow. 007 will have shooting contests and then as a highlight will tar and feather a doll of Manny Ramirez which reciting from memory — Hamlet.

Umpires — Rosanne will be the only umpire on the field. Everyone else ran away.

If I left anyone out please let me know since I want everyone to feel included.

Haven’t had time to read everyone’s comments yet, but I do agree with some of you… I don’t think this is a good trade. Only upside — we deal Hansen.

Now we get to rank this with letting Cabrera go, and acquiring Gagne and Lugo? which move will ultimately gain top honors as the worse move? Hopefully I am all wrong.

Ultimately, it seems that someone’s nose got out of joint up stairs, and that is all there is too it, I hope not– don’t upset the money guys too much. The Dallas Cowboys dismantled their management and then team due soley to personal offence and ego of the owner, and a slow to no decline accelerated very quickly with exits of players, they squeezed one more super bowl out those that remained, and havent’ won a post season game since.

The SOX are much more stable than Cowboys were, don’t get me wrong. But SOX definitely won’t be as fun anymore, and I don’t see how they are a better team now, except of letting go of Hansen.

gsm52,

hey gsm52…pick on me but leave my kids out of it LOL)

Ramirez had a great Boston career, without him it still would be 1918 since there last title. Thanks for the memories Manny, most good some bad. I think what he has done most of his career in Boston will be over shadowed with his childish actions in the last handful of days or weeks. The Red Sox needed to trade him away. He must have became a total malcontent. I hope there is no smear campaign by the Red Sox. Let him go and say Good luck out west. Who knows maybe the Sox and Dodgers play for all the marbles in late October. Unlikely but stranger things have happened.

Boston gave up 7 million and 2 prospects for Jason Bay, that is quite a bit. Bay is good but he isn’t that good. That goes to show you right there Manny became a pain in the a–. Theo needed to make the deal and I think Francona pleaded with Theo to ship him out of Boston. There was no future for Moss in Boston, we have discussed that on here before. Hansen I think Boston was a stage that was too big for him. The pressure seemed to get the best of him. I expect Moss and Hansen to have successful careers in Pittsburgh.

I think Boston will either finish on top of the A.L. East or end up in 3rd place 5 to 7 games behind either T.B. or N.Y. It was very obvious to me Manny became a HUGE distraction the last week or so. Last night’s game was the ugliest game I have seen the Red Sox play under Francona. I give Theo and the Red Sox alot of credit to pull the trigger on this deal. They have some balls for sure. The Red Sox are a team that isn’t afraid to make a move and I like that. The easiest thing for them to do was to have Ramirez finish out the season. They obviously wanted nothing to do with him. Bay will get a big ovation when he steps into the box tomm. night. The Red Sox officially have a l.f. that wants to play everyday and help his team win. I like it!!!

I guess Boston will have to get Scott Williamson to pitch lefty and dust off Mark Clear, lol. Perhaps Tony Fossas can come out of retirement and help this bullpen.

Wow, I am just cluing in? even after writing my previous thoughts…can someone enlighten me how we trade three players (including a super star) for 1 outfielder? This is all morale or ego motivated, there is no logic behind this unless you think Manny is upsetting the morale of the team? I don’t think he was, but he was upsetting the pride of the money guys with his attitude.

Is Manny really a T.O. or Bonds or Clemens? Pedro got too full of himself towards the end, and Manny was/is definitely headed in that direction, but he is not that big a head case yet, is he?

bosoxBrians comments help — but I still don’t like it — boy I’d hate to be Jason — can you believe the pressure he will feel trying to replace Manny?

bosoxbrian,

IMHO, if this is what it takes to get Manny off your back, it was the best trade the Sox ever did in their lives. Their will be no smear campaign. All the Sox have to do is shut up and let Manny nail his own coffin in the ground. Sadly, Manny does too good a job and destroying himself. I’ll miss him and I feel this was a horrific situation for the team but at the same time at least now I know we have a team at peace — or at least a team that will heal in time.

I too hope that the Red Sox handle this with class, which I believe they will. Over the years there has definitely been very good times with Manny. Unfortunately the series of events lately that lead to this warranted them parting ways for the good of this team. I wonder if the Sox were to go on and win the series this year which is the more likely scenario? They win and do not offer him a ring or they win and offer him a ring and he does not take it. For me I could see it being the latter. But I truly hope that this works out best for everyone and all of this past crap just goes away. Manny should enjoy the being in LA where he will not have q

I too hope that the Red Sox handle this with class, which I believe they will. Over the years there has definitely been very good times with Manny. Unfortunately the series of events lately that lead to this, warranted them parting ways for the good of this team. I wonder if the Sox were to go on and win the series this year which is the more likely scenario? They win and do not offer him a ring or they win and offer him a ring and he does not take it. For me I could see it being the latter. But I truly hope that this works out best for everyone and all of this past crap just goes away. Manny should enjoy being in LA where he will not have quite as much press pressure due to the star power of that city. So I say good luck Manny and lets go RED SOX.

Manny will keep his shirt sleeves tucked in for the rest of the year. He’ll be on his best behavior for sure and probably will hit again as he always does but it won’t be the same. He’ll enter the Hall without a Red Sox cap for sure. After this year he’ll move on but his behavior from now on will decide if any team picks him up.
For the Sox they will do best to say nothing. Let Manny make a fool of himself.

Hey BosoxBrian:

Scary that we agree on what we think Tito’s take on this was, but I don’t think the Sox pull the trigger if Tito had said he wanted him for the remainder of the season. I’m assuming that Big Papi will get past his disappointment over losing his friend who had his back (literally), and will relate to Jason Bay. I’m also assuming that Bay will hit 4th…or do you think that there will be a line-up shuffle to reduce the pressure on Bay…like Lowell hitting 4th and Bay hitting 5th, or Bay hitting 3rd and Big Papi hitting 4th?

Let’s see if this trade can turn the clock back to 2004 all over again.

Dbenjamin,

I don’t think Oritz and Ramirez are as close as some people think. Just a hunch on that obviously.

I think the batting order will change a bit. I don’t think Boston wants to throw Bay into the oven and have him hit 4th and try to fill the shoes of Ramirez. Some big shoes to fill. I think Bay will be energized to play in front of some big crowds and play in some meaningful games.

I think Francona has had enough and everyone else in that organization had enough of Ramirez. I always thought he would be a member of the Red Sox and probably retire as a member of the Red Sox. He had that shoving incident with the traveling sec. He also flopped around in l.f. in Anaheim and Theo usually sits there stoned faced could only shake his head. Also I think there was probably about 50 other incident’s that happened with Ramirez that we don’t even know about. I also don’t want to know about. It will be curious too see if Boston let’s some stuff out. I hope not, move on and get this ship steered in the right direction. They ( Larry L.—just guessing it was him–unamed sources in the papers ) shot some bows and arrows at Nomar when he left. I didn’t like that.

Ortiz should remain in the 3 slot, Youk hitting cleanup would be fine by me. Also it depends on what the match-up is as well. Boston needs to get Ellsbury going and Varitek going as well. If those 2 guys continue to struggle, this lineup will struggle as well. Ellsbury gets things going when he is right. Varitek is always up with guys on base and can’t seem to hit anything. Varitek has stranded a bunch of runners, he might lead the team in that category.

I watched the Angels beat down the Red Sox. They are killing the Yankees right now. Angels are red hot. Are they peaking too early?

Let’s hope the Angels stay hot until the middle of August. They play the Yanks another series at home.

Angels play the Yankees 10 times. I am guessing and say that will be 6 losses for the Yankees. Yanks needed a starting pitcher and they added nobody. They also dealt away a reliever. Alot of people are raving about the Yankees moves. I think the moves they made were o.k. They might make the playoffs and they might miss the playoffs. Right now the Angels are clearly the best team in baseball. Texeria was a move that will make a big impact in Oct. T.B. N.Y. and Bos. will battle for 2 playoff spots. Add Minnesota in there as well.

lol. Brian, Tony Fossas didn’t help the bullpen when he actually did pitch! I love the names you unearth. Sometimes I think you peruse The Baseball Cube via Google to find those players. It’s certainly amusing to reminisce about guys like Arquimedez Pozo, Dwayne Hosey, Bob Zupcic, Kevin Romine and other obscure guys who have patroled the outfield for Boston. It could be worse. We could have Zupcic in left instead of Bay.

I, too, am surprised that Epstein traded Moss and Hansen along with Manny and $7 million for Bay. It just shows how desperately the Sox wanted the drama of Manny being Manny cancelled.

I have no doubt that Epstein will rework the roster and produce a potent lineup from top to bottom in 2009. As for this season, I am not ready to wave the white flag. I think we should give Bay a chance, let him adjust and hope that other guys pick it up. Every guy in the Sox lineup (except for Varitek, and Crisp when Ellsbury is on the bench) is capable of producing runs consistently. The Sox really need Pedroia, Youkilis and Ortiz to carry the load; Lowell to show he can hit in the second half; Drew to do what he did when Ortiz was on the DL; and Ellsbury to start getting on base. I really don’t think the Sox will get much from Varitek, but I think that Bay will produce, especially if he does not have to hit cleanup. I imagine that Francona won’t put that added pressure on Bay, who will already feel the need to immediately produce.

Jeff
http://www.soxandpinstripes.com

Hansen, Cash and 7 mil – STUPID – I guess they have given up on this season. Where is the bullpen help – needed more. The competition is stronger the Sox are weaker.

Bososx brian
You were “spot on’ with your assessment. Manny was a major contributor ending the 86 tear old drought and then helped put a cherry on top last year.

What was good about Manny….the S.O.B. could and still can hit. ALTHOUGH A LOT OF OLD TIMERS WON’T ADMIT IT….He played the Green Monster as well as Ted Williams and Yaz did before him. The way he played shallow made his weak arm appear strong and actually was very accurate. Unfortunately for him Dodger Stadium and all the other NL parks won’t allow that and his arm will once again become a liability. Those outfields are big too where as Fenway’s left field fit him perfect. Most of his outfield woes were no the road.

Now…We all know Jason Bay is not Manny. In good and bad ways. We need to give him a chance and not judge him by Manny’s offensive standards. There is not one hitter like Manny…available or not.

One other thing I promise to everyone on this blog…we are like family….No matter how well or bad Manny or Jason play for the rest of the year….I will not say we should have never traded Manny. I think things were even worse than any of us could have seen or imagined.

With a new team, Manny has everything to play for and may make a better effort. He has 2 months to make a good finish to add to his off-season value. I just don’t think it was gonna happen with the Sox. I think this blog is almost representative of the 38,000 fans that pack Fenway every night. Last night he even heard some boos.
I do wish Manny well…he took us on a wild ride and made a lot of us happy 90% of the time. Good luck Manny…and welcome to Red Sox nation Jason Bay!!!!!!!!!!! Now let me retire and watch the Angels dismantle yet another American League East team. Angels 10 Yankees 2

Never under estimate the ego and pride of people with too much money — this explains the poor action and judgment on both sides, Manny and management.

Manny, Hansen, Moss, 7 mill, and the loss of two first round draft picks — the last element (loss of two first round draft picks) is what really makes this deal stink to me — if this is all true. Sounds like someone wanted Manny out of town at all costs.

I can’t believe Manny has behaved so poorly. On the other hand, I can’t believe the SOX management has such thin skin to take such an unbalanced deal.

I have limited contact with people in high places in management on occasion. And unfortunately, I have been shocked at the egos of these guys. Some you can’t even respectfully disagree with, or you are out. I am not saying any of the SOX management are like this, because I don’t know a single one, and they come across nicely and balanced in public, but then too, have all of the few hot shots I have met, but behind closed doors, you don’t dare question (let alone cross) the “king”.

So Manny has too much money and pride to apparently care about his team anymore or his legacy, and so he taunts the king — and the king (with equal pride and money) has him beheaded — only the problem is, its one of the king’s best men — so both lose due to self pride.

That is how I see it. I would hope its not that way, but the actions sure seem like it. Whether or not it was good or bad to trade Manny (under decent terms) remains to be seen. But the deal was so bad, it could not have been an objective deal, but a willful — I don’t care how you do it– just get it done deal.

Unless there is so much dirt going on in the clubhouse that we are not privy too — we may have cut off our nose to spite our face — unless we really get lucky with Jason Bay — sounds like he is great guy — no beef with him, just the terms of the overall deal.

Let’s not hold the apparent one-sided Sox give away against Bay. He had nothing to do with it. I know the team and the fans should welcome him and hope he not only replaces Manny but surpasses him in every way.If the fans have any beef it is with management. I personally feel management had no choice not only by the way Manny performed off the field but more importantly on the field. I feel it was good riddance of a problem

By trading Ramirez and Hansen I guess we open up a slot to be filled. Moss I believe wasn’t on the roster at the time. I guess we’ll see what develops.

You can pretty much assume that things were far worse than we know regarding the Manny situation. If you look at the way the Sox have played lately that tells you something. Also when Henry publicly stated that he was personally offended by Manny’s statements you knew it was bad. This is not John Henry Steinbrenner we’re talking about. This is a guy with some restraint. And, truth be told, the Sox always treated Manny with kid gloves. He got special treatment. I think it just got so bad it became the equivalent of “My kingdom for a horse” One of my business partners is very tolerant with our staff, but I’ve heard him say, “When the door closes it doesn’t open again.” Meaning there’s a line you don’t cross. I guess the door closed on Manny.

Yea, I may have to disagree with myself now and agree that it had to be — I just opened a free 30 day trail on ESPN’s insider to read Peter Gammon’s blog on which he has two articles about Manny. They were really balanced and informative.

Apparently, it was all about the money. Manny thinking he can get 4 years at 100 mil now, even though he signed a contract 8 years ago for 168 million, with options for two years at 20 mil each. Then realizing that his best chance at 100 mill over 4 more years is now.

So the Sox won’t pay him 100 mill for 4 years, he thinks he can get it now (and he is probably right)… but here is where he crosses the line for me — so in order to get his 100 mil, he turns his back on a contract that he signed, bails on his team meets, and fans, refuses to play, fakes injuries (he couldn’t remember what knee was bothering him when he went for the MRI), dishes out bad attitude, loafs, taunts anyone in a position of authority — in essence, goes on strike until the SOX find him a way to cash in on the 100 mil he wants.

I suppose when there are A-Rod’s around, your mind gets so inflated, that you abandon your care for your own teammates who are trying to win a championship, to chase a few more mill, when you can already collect 168+20+20 million over 10 years if you just try — and then perform — the latter is easy for Manny, apparently it is the former he really was refusing to do.

two picks, Hansen and Moss for Bay – How long before he is a free agent? Could have been as well off by giving Manny the rest of the summer off. What was the downside to keeping him for the season. I think the problem was Manny knew the Sox would not pick up his option. Neither side in this managed the situation well.

Jeff,

My long term memory is very good. It’s my short term memory that stinks. lol. I can’t remember what I had for lunch yesterday. If I did google some names, they would be better than Fossas. Fossas did o.k. 1 year, he was fairly effective against lefties that season. He had the best pot belly in the league. He never did a sit-up in his life. lol.

Jason Bay will get a huge ovation tomm. night when he steps into the box. I think he’ll be energized to play in front of a big crowd. He also has been traded before so I don’t think he’ll have issues there. He was the type of player T.B. needed. T.B. needs a bat in the worst way. There pitching is certainly good enough to win but there lineup has holes in it. Crawford and Upton seemed banged up.

I havent read all the posts yet, but if I may, I’d like to say something.
WELCOME TO THE REDSOX NATION JASON BAY!! He has put up some really decent numbers comsidering he had no good bats surrounding him. 22 hr’s and 68 rbi?? not too shabby. With the lumber we have and without the distraction of Manny, I think he’s going to do well. As far as I know Jason Bay hasn’t missed a game due to cramps or a bad hair day. I was not happy to give up Moss but, he’ll be back.
As close as Manny and Papi are, I wonder how Papi feels and how this will affect him personally and at the plate
Anyway, today closed the book on Manny Ramirez and opens a new chapter… Second verse, same as the first (for those of you old enough to remember Herman’s Hermits)
This 1st 1/2 of the season will be known as the Manny Chronicles, and now we premier a 40 something drama called Jason of Back Bay.
HERE WE GO!! See all of you (figuratively speaking) tomorrow night.
Oh and again, thanks for letting me GENTLY vent last night… Sorry if I was a bit over the top. You can resume calling me Rose Colored-Glasses.
I LOVE OUR SOX!!! G’night Nationers.

As long as we are beating this dead horse, I may as well add some musings in defense of the greedy players. Think about the difference between 20 million dollars and 25 million dollars. That’s 5 million bucks!! When was the last time you thought you could get 5 million dollar raise? I’m guessing most of you don’t come across that situation often. And honestly, neither do the vast majority of MLB players. Also, these guys hang out with supermodels, rock stars, US Senators, actors, etc. They don’t travel in the usual circles we can imagine. So the really amazing fact is that there are Jason Varitek’s and Mike Lowell’s out there. Regular guys who just happen to be multimillionaire, famous baseball players. Now don’t get me wrong, I think what Manny appears to have done for the money and to his team is reprehensible. It truly saddens me that a great Bosox career ended the way it did and I put most of the onus on Manny. I think it was a dishonest thing to do. As much dishonest to himself as to everyone else. After all, he was under contract for this year. But I also understand how difficult it must be to keep your head on straight in that world. And there are some players who lack the personal integrity to stay “normal”, for lack of a better word, in that crazy world they travel. Baseball has changed, we have to accept it and come to terms with it or else we’ll find less and less pleasure in it until we become bitter and disillusioned and turn off the TV. Then we lose.

Still having trouble with the website. keep getting that ##/**##$$%* , message. Anyone figure out what is causing the problem . It seems to come in the middle of my generating a comment and I have to start over.

Brian, the Sox have offered Fossas $2.39 to stay retired.

I was just sitting here thinking about the events of the day when a horrifying though crossed my mind. Part of this trade included dropping the options for 2009-10. That means Manny becomes a free agent in November. The Yankees will unload about a billion dollars in payroll at the end of the year as Giambi, Pettite and Mussina are all at contract’s end. I’m thinking they will be in the market for a DH, and who would be better for that role than Manny. I’m sitting here trying to think of reasons it won’t happen and I’m not coming up with any. Manny is from NY and for him, it would be ultimate coup. A-Rod and Manny, back to back, could you imagine?

Oh, by the way, Manny also gets a $1 million dollar relocation bonus.

The Red Sox are not a better team without Manny and his absence changes the whole dynamic of the Sox lineup. If I’m making the lineup, Ortiz moves to cleanup and Drew goes back to hitting third where he has tremendous success. Lowell bats fifth and Bay sixth. Against lefties, you can swap Drew and Bay. Youk hits second or seventh, Pedroia leads off or hits second, Ellsbury leads off or hits ninth and Tek hits eighth. Ideally, you have Ellsbury, Pedroia, Drew, Ortiz, Lowell, Bay, Youk, Tek and Lowrey. That’s a pretty fine lineup folks.

Well guys, im in Mourning and i delcare our 2008 campaign a finished failure. No repeat for us. Congratz to da D Rays as American League East Champs and to the New York Yankees the Wild Card Champs. Maybe next year…guys ill MISS MANNY!!! HE WAS LIKE MY IDOL! I ANNOYED COACHES IN MY BASEBALL LEAGUE LAST YEAR….I stole bases…but I NEVER HUSTLED DOWN DA FIRST BASELINE AND I CAME LATE TO PRACTICES!!! :: CRY CRY SOB SOB :: and yes it all truth…

Tomorrow will be like opening day all over again. I can’t wait. Sox are going to play inspired baseball for the rest of the season and go deep into the playoffs. Hmmm… wasn’t it about 3 days ago I downgraded my expectations? Ah, who cares! Sox rule!!!

Trivia: When the European settlers first came to New England they learned agriculture techniques from the Native Americans. The learned to plant three crops together in one hill of earth. The NA’s called these the “Three Sisters”. What were these 3 staples? Prize: Ski trip this winter with Julio Lugo to the Swiss Alps. For $25 extra you can climb the Matterhorn while you’re in Europe.

PS, Pangelotti, I tried to post two fantastic posts earlier this afternoon. Wisdom and comedy like you wouldn’t believe, but the website wouldn’t take them. OK, so maybe it was my usual drivel, buit still, you are right, there is something wrong in Browniepointsland.

That’s hilarious, CHman.

it was true Arnie, i was like a mini manny and when i hit home runs i stopped to admire them and yes… i was sat out in a game for doing it.

Arnie, when we talk about MLB players’ salaries, we throw around millions like they were nothing. Players get paid during the season. They don’t get paid in the off season, or during spring training. They get paid twice a month. That means that every two weeks Manny stopped by the office to pick up his meager $1.5 million dollar pay check. Yeah, that’s right…… $1.5 million dollars every two weeks. Manny makes more money in two weeks than I made over the course of my entire 33 year Navy career. Things didn’t go Manny’s way, but someone being paid that kind of money needs to give 100 percent all the time and do exactly what he’s asked to do. He owes that to the organization, his team mates and the fans who pay his salary. Manny didn’t do that and it was looking like he was going to continue to act like a spoiled brat. I don’t think the Sox did Manny wrong and they did what they thought was in the best interest of the team, even if it cost them. If they let Manny stay, he leaves and they get draft choices and nothing else. At least this way they wind up with Jason Bay who’s a pretty good player.

Who knows what a homonym is? (Hint: It is not a gay nym?)

Dave, I would never pick on your kids but since I didn’t know how many, what gender or names, I just made them all Davelets. LOL!

Garry, I think that LA will sign Manny. They have the resources, and their owner has Boston ties and treasures Manny. If Florida was Manny’s destination, no way he would sign there, but I wouldn’t anoint him as the Yankees DH yet. I think the Dodgers will unload Juan Pierre and Andruw Jones in the off-season and go with Manny, Kemp and Ethier. Of course, it does depend on how much Manny likes Hollywood!

Jeff
http://www.soxandpinstripes.com

There’s no doubt that Manny being Manny has its limits. If he deliberately intended to hurt the travelling secretary, that would have been the end right there. I just suspect there’s more to that story than has been leaked, because they let that one pass.

But here’s the view from the cheap seats: Manny was tight with his mates, esp. Ortiz. He had a big ego but was no Reggie Jackson. He simply wanted more respect than he got. And he’d earned it.

Antics? Ever hear of Dizzy Dean? Spaceman Lee? Hell, baseball’s been full of great goofers. And some great hitters have been as serious as a heart attack (think Ted Williams or Joe Dimaggio) while others goof a bit (think Babe Ruth).

And while thinking of Ruth, it seems trading such a great created The Curse. Who broke it? Manny. Being Manny.

And I think that perspective has been lost by fans who really have serious control issues.

In a half dozen years, let’s see if talk of a second ‘Curse’ has begun. I’d call it perfect justice if the Sox start drawing blanks again instead of championships. Because Manny was a great, he just didn’t suit the suits. He elevated the Sox more than any batter since Yaz. And it was egos besides his that sent him away in such a disrespectful way.

Think about it, Red Sox Nation, you might be clapping for “The Curse II”…

Good riddance. Betcha we don’t hear Manny’s name again — except for an occasional mention on Sports Center or maybe “Outside the Lines” for some odd reason. Going to LA is like going to Bolivia. Anyone actually know what the Dodgers have done lately besides kiss Arizona’s ***? Hell, I didn’t even know Bill Mueller was over there. Come home Kevin Millar.

Arnie: I like it when you said tonight is the opening day. Rightfully so. It is not doomsday when Manny is gone. The Sox still has 6 games each to play with the Rays and the Yanks and we don’t have to face the Angels again.
The Yanks lost big last night with Pettitte pitching and yet have to face Angels with their # 3, 4, and 5 starters. Hopefully the Sox will regain some lost ground on the Yanks when the weekend is over.
I strongly disagree with the notion to keep Manny for the remainder of the season, pick up the option for 2009 and then trade him. Keeping a disgruntled Manny is a waste at bat as evidenced by the last game with the Angels. I am sure Jason will be productive AB. I am not saying it is a good trade but at least the Sox cannot be in a worse state than it was in.
I feel sorry for Moss and Hansen going from a championship team to a team that nobody cares about.

Let me emphasize that the Sox doesn’t have to play against the almighty Angels in the regular season again. The Yanks have 9 more games left and the Rays 3 games with the Angels. AND the Rays and Yanks have to play against each other 6 more times.
In addition, the Yanks have 12 home games and 16 road games in August.
The Sox are in good position to clinch at least a wc assuming Minn will fade in the stretch run.

Gsm,

I think it’s a great chance Ramirez ends up in N.Y. either with the Mets or Yankees. Minaya has craved him for years. We all know Ramirez would love to play for the Yankees. Dodgers do have the $$$$ to sign him, no doubt about it. Ramirez will be on his best behavior for the final 2 months or so. He might even hustle down the first base line with L.A. lol.

Jeff,

You mention Bob Zupcic. He made one of the best catches I have ever seen at Fenway. He went against the bullpen and leaned over and made a spectacular catch. A weekend day game at Fenway. Who he robbed, don’t remember and not too sure what team as well. That is my memory of Zupcic.

All I can say is, if Manny worked for Microsoft and started shoving his coworkers around, he’d not only be fired, he’d be facing criminal assault charges. Manny got away with horrible behavior and I might add that the Sox did NOT win in :

2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006 and MANNY WAS THERE!!!!

Manny did not break the so-called curse. The TEAM broke the curse. Pedro was not there in 2007 and yet they somehow won. To say that Manny has that much power is not logical. Granted, the Manny/David Ortiz combo was a deadly weapon but it was not the only one. 2007 was won hitting wise also because Lowell was so deadly at bat. Teams win world series not players. It’s a reason why the Yankees have not done well as of late. They have a lot of great talent — but not a team. With players like A-Rod, it’s hard to create a team atmosphere. You need the Varitek’s to generate a team.

As Stan Lee would say — nuff said.

One thing I do blame the Sox for — not filing assault charges against Manny and getting him locked up. When you give players free rides like this you bring down the spirit of a team and absolutely bring down the spirit of baseball. You once again say you put up with #@$# because he’s a great hitter. Ya so Clemens can dope himself up and Bonds can do the same because ‘they’re special’ I would not want to play for an organization like that. Major League Baseball is becoming like politics — the Rules are broken because you can — not because it’s right.

gsmt52 — I have two and both girls and both are the world to me. Thanks for the reply and all forgiven.

Dave,

Well said!! I agree very much when you say it is a team that wins. The Red Sox have too much pride. Alot of vets. I assume they’ll take the field and say these are the guys, let’s go out and get it done. The season starts tonight. One thing we know for sure is the Red Sox haven’t played there best baseball yet. I think T.B. has. N.Y. just had a nice little winning streak as well recently. N.Y. has a very rough part of the schedule going on right now. We’ll see in mid August where the Yankees stand. Let’s hope it is 3rd place for N.Y.

My ideal batting order for tonights game:

Dustin Pedroia
Kevin Youklis
Jason Bay
David Ortiz
JD Drew
Mike Lowell
Jed Lowrie
Jason Varitek
Jacoby Ellsbury

Gsm, I’m here and I hear you! I sit by the sea and I see the ships sailing.

Onomatopoeia, Gsm?

Very good Arnie. Your view of the sea sounds nice. I recall some days when thudering seas and whistling winds made my 4400 ton ship feel like an insignificant piece of cork.

GSM,
33 years with the Navy….wow!!!! I did 26 yaers with the USAF. Am still working for them as a civilian. One thing that got me through the good and bad assignments were the Red Sox. My first duty assignment was when Bucky F’ing Dent took Mike Torres deep. I retired in ’03 when Boone took Wakefield deep. In between was a lot of good and bad with the Sox. That’s why no matter what happens I just stack it in the old hard drive and press on. I am looking forward to the rest of ’08 Long live the Sox and our troops all over the world.

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