Finally, some truth

Thank goodness that Alex Rodriguez has not become the next Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens. Finally, we have an legend of the game that can admit that allegations are true and that yes, he took steroids.

I don’t know if the public could have handled another defiant case like Bonds or Clemens. I think that A-Rod was candid in his interview with Peter Gammons, acknowledging the obvious pressure that players of that era felt — that if you weren’t doing PEDs, you weren’t keeping up with the competition.

Looking back, it was just a terrible, terrible time in baseball — say, 1998-2003 — and it’s just unbelievable that there was no penalty for a positive steroid test until 2004. But better late than never.

A-Rod could have come on ESPN today and said, “I took steroids once and realized the next day it was a mistake”. How many players have we heard that kind of weak explanation from?

I think he did what he had to do — which was come out and admit that he was doing this for an extended period because he felt pressure to live up to his contract, not to mention other superstars in the game.

As for the fact he lied before about this, that can not be excused. But it’s better to come out and tell the truth eventually than to be stubborn until the end like Rocket and Barry.


Ian, are you at all troubled by his comments that he didn’t know what he was taking? Either he was totally careless or really, really stupid when it came to personal safety. I also find it a little unbelievable to think that he used steroids in a smaller, less competitive market while playing in Texas but then magically stopped them when he moved to the highly competitive New York market. Something just doesn’t sound right to me. He made a good first step today. I think he still has a lot more explaining to do.


Lucky for A-Rod he had the luxury of seeing what has happened to Bonds and Clemens vs what has happened to Petite and Giambi. His only choice was to admit the truth and hope it calms down a little. Once you tell the truth the story loses a lot of it’s luster and eventually dies a slow death. Not sure what the HOF repurcussions will be but I’ll bet A-Rod actually felt a rush of relief. Nothing to hide and now he can just play ball. Probably not quite that simple but better than dragging it out aka Clemens and Bonds. Wonder if there are any more names off that list that will surface. What a mess……

A-Rod gives me the creeps. But he did the right thing owning up to his steroid use. People are very forgiving if you say these words:”I made a mistake and I’ve learned from it.” We all admire the courage it takes to say that.

Say, did you hear that Michael Phelps was able to pick up a new sponsor to replace Kellogs? He signed on with Zig Zag. Look for the ad in this month’s issue of High Times!

A-Rod has no choice but to admit taking the Pettitte route and then interpose the affirmative defense like I didn’t know and only a small amount bull cr –. We are foolish enough to believe the fairy tale. Though give him credit for admitting the truth after 6 long years.
Why not mandatory testing for all major league players as I have indicated earlier. Perhaps the MLB or we fans cannot handle the truth? What if you find out your favorite player is tested positive. We know the abuse of PEDs is prevalent then for sure and now?

In the last 20 years I think there are only 2 players that are legit and they are…..Griffey, Jr. and Zazu. I have always stated that and I will until proven otherwise!

A-Rod took some roids from 2001 thru 2003 because he felt the pressure. So when he was dealt too N.Y. in the winter of 2004 he stopped using. I doubt it. No pressure when he went too N.Y.???? Things that make me go hmmmmmmmmmm.

Bud Selig made around 17 million last year as the commish of baseball. This guy has looked the other way the entire time. He is part of the problem, certainly not the solution! Selig is supposed too retire after the 2012 season, not soon enough!

Although, A-Rod gained some respect for his admission yesterday, only one shoe has dropped. Coming out of THE steroid hotbed at Seattle and seeing how his HR numbers virtually doubled in 98 versus 97 suggests to me he’s been on the juice since that timeframe. A quick look at picture of his body changes in that timeframe show a remarkable increase in size.
In addition, I’m pretty convinced he was still on it for at least the 2004 season, otherwise the COO of the players union wouldn’t have tipped him on his upcoming drug test.

But the bigger issue is Major League Baseball and whether it truly wants to regain credibility from this era or continually try to sweep it under the rug and hope the stench goes away over time. Clearly, awarding A-Rod the MVP in 2003 knowing he tested positive for two banned drugs is laughable. How many player awards were the same?

I expect we’ll see players names released over time and the longer it takes for all names to come out, the lower the credibility of MLB will sink. There really is only one way to make this go away and that is to be upfront, release all the names and re-adjust the player awards for this timeframe.

Frankly, considering somewhere between 5 and 7% or 104 players tested positive, it really is the only fair thing to do for the other 93% of guys who played the game the right way and didn’t cheat.
Guys like Delgado, Morris and countless others might suddenly rise in significance if they didn’t test positive and whether they make it to the HOF or not isn’t the issue. The issue is one of fairness to the guys who didn’t cheat as well as the fans.
Not withstanding all that, how can MLB justify keeping Pete Rose out of the HOF for gambling? Is gambling worse than outright cheating?

The fans deserve to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Nothing else will suffice. Release the full list.

I won’t defend A-Rod’s using of steroids. The reality is that he got caught, or the charade would have continued. The tragedy is that players like A-Rod, Clemens, Bonds and McGwire didn’t need the crap to be great players. They were all HOF bound based on their natural God-given talents. They were all financially secure for the rest of their lives before using the crap. I wonder if I was in that same situation, during that era, whether or not I would have given in to the temptation to be bigger, faster, stronger, better …….. when that was the accepted and encouraged way of doiing things by the players, management, and by the fans. I could be a self-righteous idiot and say there’s no way, but to be honest, I’m not sure. It’s easy to judge, and while A-Rod hasn’t been totally truthful in the past, he was wise to choose the path he took now. He still has time to redeem himself and believe me if he comes out this year and hits .330, 45 HR, 130 RBI ……. nobody’s going to care what happened in 2001-2003, and if he hits another 350 HRs in his career, he’ll be a first ballot hall of famer.

I do kinow this. If my name was one of the 103 remaining names on the list, I’d come forward right now. Sooner or later, that list will likely get out. Why wait?

The players were betrayed by their union and by MLB. I understand that this test was a random, anonymous, survey test. To me, random means. Random means no particular players were targeted, and anonymous means that there should have been no way to associate names to samples. The fact that A-Rod could even be identified as a player who provided a sample is complete crap. The players got screwed on this one.

Finally, this is just more BS relative to the use of steroids in baseball. Don’t think for a minute that just because there were only 104 positive tests, that there were only 104 players using at the time. This is all crap.

SI’s Selena Roberts is writing a biography of A-Rod so she was seeking only information on him alone. If her sources are ever identified, and I doubt that will happen, I’m sure they will remember at least a dozen or two other high profile names.

Former Red Sox J. C. Romero will be serving his 50 game suspension for testing positive while with the Phillies. I think there are three or four other suspensions that will be effective once the season starts. One is a Yankee off-season pick-up pitcher Sergio Mitre and I can’t remember the Met player (not a star) in the same boat. So even with all of the publicity the juicing continues.

From what I read the test results were due to be destroyed but the Feds jumped in and grabbed them before it happened.
Now would be a great time for the other 103 to come out and confess. Maybe some will!!!

Do you honestly believe A-Rod is telling the complete truth? C’mon now. His claim that he used banned substances – note that he would not admit to using steroids – from 2001-2003 in Texas is no different than Andy Pettitte claiming that he used HGH just a couple times while trying to recover from an injury and Sammy Sosa saying that the only time he corked his bat happened to be the day his bat broke and rubber balls came bouncing out during batting practice. I believe Jose Canseco’s assertion that A-Rod was juicing in the 1990s. I agree that A-Rod is not the only big name who was using illegal PEDs. There will be more names named in the future, maybe even a member of the Red Sox or two. That doesn’t erase the fact that baseball’s highest paid player – and someone who has a chance to break Bonds’ home run record – is a steroids cheat. Now are left to wonder if any of A-Rod’s stats are legitimate and if the 2007 numbers were helped by banned substances. Every home run A-Rod hits from this point forward will have to be questioned, which is a shame for baseball.


Kramer, it will be interesting to see how sympathetic (or not) Roberts’ biography will be. Now that A-Rod has fessed up, somewhat anyway, it will be interesting to see how “cooperative” he will be (let alone, gauge his reaction to Torre’s book). I did see that item previously about Romero.
Now that A-Rod has opened the door and made it seem at least POSSIBLE for others to come forward, whether they are on the list or not (esp. since the Union will not do it). Yes, it is in their interest, and hopefully, now that A-Rod has done so, more players may follow suit.
We are naive if we think that the Steroid Era is ONLY from 1998-2003, however. As long as THG and other masking agents exist, there will always be some question whether ANY records are legit. Also, as long as HGH is not detectable except via blood test, the Union will (again, GJAYS) fight to keep it out, even IF Selig does not. So even if tests are coming clean right now, you still cannot be 100% sure that players are clean (and that is as true now as before 1998– as we only have Canseco & Co.’s word on when the “Steroid Era” begins and ends).We are wise to view the numbers with great skepticism, esp. from 1998-2003, but even now. I think putting asterisks by (or removing) records from the Steroid Era doesn’t really help–you have to “asterisk” the entire Era, since you cannot be SURE that all records are legit. But even if you wanted to “asterisk” the Steroid Era, 1998-2003 may only be your starting point, as more evidence unfolds. Fasten your seatbelts, boys and girls!

As far as Roberts book there will likely be many, many things said he will be steamed about. When he does cheap things like try to wrestle a ball away from a Sox player at first base and shout HAH! to distract a Jays third baseman on a pop up there are no doubt numerous character flaws to expose.

And I believe the drug ban was instituted in 1991 so what were the early and mid 90s like? The sad truth is there will be thing in every decade to tarnish the image of any American sport!

That’s been my point all along, Kramer. You have to take all these numbers with a certain degree of skepticism, and recognize the fact that not everyone has played it straight for one reason or another. Whether you’re talking “spitballs” or “doctored” balls (ala, Gaylord Perry or Phil Niekro), or gambling on baseball (sorry, boys and girls, that’s cheating as much as steroids–no better, no worse!–and the only question is whether it keeps Rose, or Shoeless Joe, out of the HOF), or steroids, there will always be things that tarnish the sport, and you have to be realistic when it comes to what these numbers actually mean.
My only thought on Rose, or Shoeless Joe, by the way, is if you keep them out, you can keep the steroids users out. If you let one in, you let the other in. Rose said he never bet on his own team. Why do we believe that, any more (or any less!) than we do A-Rod? Why do we believe the managerial decisions Rose made were NOT impacting the game, and yet believe steroids ARE? The HOF is not a City of Angels (or sadly, role models), and there are people in the Hall (as also the NFL HOF) who are, simply put, not good people. So be realistic about what the HOF is and who is in it. Do they merit it based on numbers, or also on character? If the latter, they will sorely disappoint!

Jeff, I think the stakes are getting too high for big time players to mess around with illegal substances any more. With the money they are making, it’s just not worth it to them to do it. As far as A-Rod is concerned, I think he’s clean now and from this point forward I think his achievements can be considered legit.

Kramer, there are those who consider the plays you mention to be bush league. I consider them to be a player playing to win. A-Rod is a lot of things, but he hustles and he plays to win. I like that in a ballplayer. In the case of the play at first base, the umpire made the proper call when he called A-Rod out. In the case of the play at third base, A-Rod is completely within the rules to do what he did. Verbal interference does not exist at the major league level as it does in softball and lower levels of baseball. Major league players should be polished enough to be unaffected by that kind of stuff. If it was Kevin Youkilis who did the same thing and score a winning run, he’d be a hero.

Whether the test results were supposed to be destroyed or not didn’t matter. There should never have been any way to associate a player’s name with a sample……. period.

With A-Rod, and anyone else who has done the juice, what’s done is done. Let history take its course. But as we think about it, think about the magical year of Sosa and McGwire going back and forth. Think about how exciting that all was, and how much we all enjoyed it. That may have been the best year in baseball history. Any of you who say you weren’t excited about that are lying out your collectives arses. It was a great time. Has it been tainted? I suppose it has. Would you love to see it again. C’mon now, you know you would! The only topper to that was the Sox come back in the 2004 ALCS!

We’re a couple of days from spring training and kicking off what should be a very exciting 2009 season. Time to put the roids talk behind us and focus on that. How much better will Ellsbury and Lowrie be? Can Youk and DP have another MVP season? Will Josh Beckett return to his dominating form? Will any game Dice-K starts last less than four hours? How good will Jon Lester be? Will Big Papi be Big Papi again? This is going to be fun.

As usual you are a fountain of wisdom. The testers should have just made sure they had the proper number of samples from each group, without duplicates, and never labeled them with the group or individual names. And I’m sure you have more funny stories about softball than I do, and I have quite a few!!!

I think that one sure thing has come from this. As much as I dislike the way he did it, and I know that I stood up and said it couldnt be true, what Jose Canseco said appears to, in fact, BE TRUE. Remember that I said that I didnt like the way he did it, but…. 1st there was McGwire and Sosa, then Palmiero. And when his 2nd book was supposed to come out, he did say that we would hear things that some wouldnt believe and would be surprised about Arod. I for one wasnt surprised, I guess the seemingly arrogant way he goes about things made me suspect him as not being all that he seemed. His statement on 60 Minutes that he “never felt overmatched” really hit me as arrogant. I will be the 1st to admit that I have NEVER liked Arod and railed against the trade that MLB thankfully stepped in and stopped. Sorry, I think he believes that he is, what I have heard numerous times this week, ” The player that will save baseball”. In my opinion, I think he just took the Grand Old Game down a few notches in the perception of the general baseball public.

Garry, I agree with you to an extent, but what about Arod slapping the ball from Arroyo’s hand… lol

I am with you, Garry, I am ready to get going and just play some baseball. The steroid issue will be around for a while, and I think we just have to get used to that fact, and not be too shocked or surprised by what comes out. But I think it is time to just play baseball. As far as A-Rod is concerned, I agree with your assessment of his tactics in the 04 ALCS. We would not be so critical of it if someone from our team had done it, let alone A-Rod. I have no problem with a player messing with another player’s mind, the way A-Rod did with Arroyo. But the fact was that the umps got it right, and WITHOUT INSTANT REPLAY! They did it right that day.

Speaking of Hall of fame repurcussions….how about Orlando Cepeda? In 1978 he gets 5 years on drug charges. (Cannibis) Voted in the HOF in 1999. These voters need to be more cosistent. Doing time for drug charges is just as bad as gambling and tax evasion, steroids (another dangerous drug) and everything else. Someimes I just don’t get it. It’s a good thing the NFL doesn’t dwell on this because there would be very few players on the field. No I don’t like the steroid mess…..but there are guys in the HOF who have done much worse. Cepeda comes to mind but I bet Gary knows of others. Just fed up I guess. If that list gets out there’ll be some big fish exposed and disappointed people and kids. And you all know how things are in today’s society….if there is a list….nothing is sacred and it will get out. I can’t wait for the season to start so we can start concentrating on the box scores and divisional races. This idle time is killing me!!!!!

Ok, here’s the difference between gambling and all other scandals in baseball. It’s really astoundingly simple. Gambling very nearly put baseball out of business. The sport was so disgraced that it was a very near thing, we almost didn’t have Major League Baseball today. Babe Ruth is often credited with saving baseball from ruin. His homerun hitting and larger-than-life personality brought the fans back. No other scandal comes close. Steroids, in fact were GODD for baseball during the 90’s. All those home runs, the “chicks dig the long ball” crap did great things for baseball’s coffers. No wonder they turned a blind eye and deaf ear. I get the sense there is some regret that it all had to end. And these other petty distractions: smoking pot, alcoholism, scapes with the law??? Not a problem. Look, as long as the fans do not stay away, and as long as the Tv contracts keep coming baseball will not be serious about steroids. And I for one don’t care if a player smokes a joint or gets a DUI. That is part of modern life, hey our president used to snort coke. Why should a baseball player be held to a higher standard than the leader of the free world?

Arnie, by and large I agree with you, except for one thing. You are right that gambling very nearly put the game out of business. In the present day, however, if people like GSJAYS and others have their wish, the economic impact on the game from steroids would have a similarly disastrous effect. Whether it has that impact or not largely depends on the fanbase–will they turn away from the game if steroids continues to be a problem? I doubt it, and I would hope not, whether or not baseball “gets serious enough” about the steroid problem or not. But there is the segment of the crowd that says, “If these greedy players can’t lay off the steroids, and other PEDs, we will not attend the games to pay their salaries”. Are they numerous enough to have a longer-term impact on the game (in gate receipts)? Possible, but I doubt it. But if enough people were as ticked off as GSJAYS, and decided to not go to the games, TV stations would not want to keep broadcasting “empty seat” games. And there are enough people on the MLB blogs, if not elsewhere, that could bring about that kind of response (ask Obama and McCain how well that worked!). I doubt it, but it’s possible.

A book about Zazu is coming out. You should know how too read before you issue a book. lol. Zazu said he felt disrespected/insulted and that is why he shoved a 64 yr. old man too the ground. Team management didn’t have his back. Now that is funny! John Henry paid him how much???? Francona would stick up for Zazu how many times over the years??? Talking about a guy that is clueless. The best part about the book is one of the co-authors is a clinical psychologist, that explains everything.

What is worse in sports??? A known cheather like A-Rod???? How about a team-mate that quit on his team. I wonder who that could be??? Hmmmmmmmmmm………Good riddance. Enough of these drama queens. Play ball!


Gaylord Perry is in the H.O.F. and he is a known CHEATER. How did he get voted in??? I have always wondered about that one but not many if anybody brings it up. I guess it is o.k. for the pitchers too cheat but not hitters?

Brian…….Gaylord Perry ………… a brilliant analogy. A known cheater in the HOF. LOL! Except he cheated legally. He got caught, over and over, and there were no consequences. Pitchers do that crap all the time. Scuffing balls, using foreign substances, all kinds of tricks.

A-Rod or Zazu? I’ll take A-Rod every time. There’s nothing worse than a player dogging it, or quitting on his team…… especially a player getting $20M a year. I lost all respect for Zazu when that happened.

Ellen, as far as A-Rod’s trying to bat the ball away from Arroyo is concerned, that kind of thing happens all the time. It just doesn’t look quite as silly as that one did. Players try to kick the ball out of gloves and frequently try to knock the ball from a catcher on plays at the plate. It was a desperation play by A-Rod. Given the choice between trying that and possibly getting away with it, and just standing there and being tagged, I’ll take A-Rod’s effort. It’s part of the game.

Not sure why you think A-Rod’s addmittance of taking PEDs was so wonderful. Sure I think we’re all pretty happy it’s not another Roger or Barry issue, but it was pretty obvious his statement was written for him and he tried to memorize it. Not to mention the many faux-pas like “that’s pretty accurate” or not knowing what he was taking. Seriously, a $250 million dollar player who knows he’s the best in the game not sure what he’s putting in his body.
Mark my word, this story’s not near finished yet.

BadSeed57, who said anything about being A-Rod’s admission being “wonderful”? I’m glad he did so, but it was not “wonderful”. Of course he knew what he was taking–and Gammons named them. Yes, he played the “Artful Dodger”. But he gave a framework (that was not a faux pas, that was a confirmation), and he indicated that he “experimented with many things…that would give you a positive”. He actually BROADENED the admission! (Imagaine me defending A-Rod!) Yes, other things will come out, and we should not be “happy” about that. But it is refreshing compared to what we’ve heard. But no, this is FAR from done!!

And THANK GOD!! Congress had enough sense not to summon A-Rod before their Kangaroo Court! Citing the economy–talk about the economic effects on baseball and Congress!!!

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